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Postby OneWhoIsAll » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:47 pm

HNutz wrote:
What is it with Wilsons and "underage" girls? 8)


Yes.
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:54 pm

HNutz wrote:
What is it with Wilsons and "underage" girls? 8)


Congrats, you won the outhouse today.
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby HNutz » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:59 pm

HNutz wrote:
What is it with Wilsons and "underage" girls? 8)


guitarsmashley wrote:Congrats, you won the outhouse today.


Sweet. :)

I just find it funny that, of all the Wilsons I can think of in comics, the only one that is happily married is Deadpool...

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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby HNutz » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:32 pm

CBR wrote:Under the headline “Why Marvel needs to fire Rick Remender,” Examiner.com’s Gloria Miller dismissed the reference to Jet’s 23rd birthday as contradictory to “everything Remender has told us,” before stating that even if she were 23, “It’s still hard to ignore the fact that she’s still mentally immature and has suffered some pretty massive emotional trauma of late — not exactly a stellar example of unhindered ability to consent.”

Like Miller, Eat.Geek.Play’s Mark Stack framed the Falcon/Jet scene in the context of Remender’s other “offenses” since taking the reins of Captain America, including the (apparent) deaths of Sharon Carter and young Ian Zola. (It should be noted that both Stack and Eat.Geek.Play expressed their dislike for the #firerickremender campaign; after reading this Tumblr post explaining the timeline, Stack tweeted, “I am genuinely embarrassed and ashamed,” and to Remender, “I owe you an epic apology.”)


So Stack got more information and apologized, but Gloria Miller presumably has not and will not, thinking that a 23 year old initiating sexual relations with a 30-something that's not okay, something that Marvel should apologize for and fire a writer (but not the editor who approved it) over.

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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby OneWhoIsAll » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:40 pm

guitarsmashley wrote:
Congrats, you won the outhouse today.


Hey I was one who made the reference, HHtuz just got it.

WHERE IS THE OUTHOUSE!!!

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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:56 pm

OneWhoIsAll wrote:
Hey I was one who made the reference, HHtuz just got it.

WHERE IS THE OUTHOUSE!!!

....23:22....23:23


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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby Grayson » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:32 pm

HNutz wrote:So Stack got more information and apologized, but Gloria Miller presumably has not and will not, thinking that a 23 year old initiating sexual relations with a 30-something that's not okay, something that Marvel should apologize for and fire a writer (but not the editor who approved it) over.

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Gloria Miller definitely owes Rick Remender an apology, she was clearly wrong. That's really about as far as this issue should have gone.
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby HNutz » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:30 pm

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Gloria Miller definitely owes Rick Remender an apology, she was clearly wrong. That's really about as far as this issue should have gone.


Yup.

She's aware of the facts, she just disagrees with them. And, for some reason, she's not ignored.

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Re: Where's our #fireremender discussion?

Postby Lord Simian » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:58 pm

chap22 wrote:he was a lot cooler the first time i read about him when he was called Madcap.


I get the point you are making, and you're mostly right, but I can't support calling Madcap cool.

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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby Beige Lantern » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:03 pm

I'm genuinely surprised the complaint is about her being underage rather than being drunk.

After all, if two drunken people have sex, that's rape.
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RE: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fans Demand Marvel #FireRickRemender

Postby Linkaria Jungle » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:27 pm

It's JRJ's inability to draw age-appropriate figures that has people confused over her real age throughout the run. Throw in the dubious consent issues (Falcon getting so drunk he can't remember what happened) which is really out of character and insulting for a social worker, and all the various issues throughout Remender's Marvel works (the fridging, the racism, etc.) IMO CA #22 is not the sole reason why people got this mad, it was problems earlier in Remender's Cap and UA. CA #22 is just the last straw.

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Postby OneWhoIsAll » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:49 pm

FBtron wrote:It's JRJ's inability to draw age-appropriate figures that has people confused over her real age throughout the run.


This..

It's a running trend when it comes to artist these days. They take a character who is clearly in their mid 30s and make them like 10 -15 years younger. It drives me crazy.

But lets look closer into this """""plot""""" (I don't the how many quotes I should put without sounding so I'm redundant just goint to stop now.)

The fact that writer had to specify her age before the consent, also adding on the fact that the writter knows her backstory... actually shows for thought when writing this....

Which means....

1) He want an excuse to have a female character for sex for Wilson but isn't the type of person to just have a fling like that. So he wrote in that he had a drinking nite. But the writer didn't bother making a oringal character so he chose a previous establish character and specify her "new' age so it won't be controversial.

2) He wanted the character in pacticluar to be sexualize but due to her age and backstory he couldn't really write anything without being contraversal so he wrote down she said her age so therefore shes not underage and therefore not controversial.

Either case both of them were drinking and both gave consent...again not controversial.

There is alot of covering bases when it comes to a simple drunken sex night plot.
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:55 pm

Beige Lantern wrote:I'm genuinely surprised the complaint is about her being underage rather than being drunk.

After all, if two drunken people have sex, that's rape.


But, was she drunk? She does not have the same hangover Falcon has and her metabolism is engineered and different. in theory she raped him.
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