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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby HNutz » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:40 pm

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But, was she drunk? She does not have the same hangover Falcon has and her metabolism is engineered and different. in theory she raped him.


Would LOVE to hear her response to that! (No, not really)

I commented on the article and the Examiner.com Facebook page. Not holding my breath or anything...

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Re: Where's our #fireremender discussion?

Postby Stephen Day » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:00 pm

Supersoldier Washout wrote:Not reading Captain America so I totally don't know what the Hell is going on.

Who is Jet Black and is the character in her 20's or is she 14?


Answering this question from page one since everyone else seems to have ignored it.

Jet Black is Jet Black Zola, the genetically engineered daughter of Arnim Zola. This issue established that she is in her twenties. The reason why some people have jumped to the wrong conclusion about her age was that until recently John Romita Jr.'s artwork made her look like she was a teenager and people just assumed that's around what her age was despite nothing being said until this particular issue to establish her exact age.

Basically, this issue Jet Black and the Falcon get drunk and slept together. During the day after, Jet Black stated her age as 23, so presumably there should have been no problem along those lines. It seems that there were a few too many people who didn't bother reading the dialogue in that scene carefully enough, and based on their incorrect assumptions about her age, jumped to some pretty horrific conclusions about what that scene was depicting.
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Re: Where's our #fireremender discussion?

Postby HNutz » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:14 pm

Stephen Day wrote:
Answering this question from page one since everyone else seems to have ignored it.

Jet Black is Jet Black Zola, the genetically engineered daughter of Arnim Zola. This issue established that she is in her twenties. The reason why some people have jumped to the wrong conclusion about her age was that until recently John Romita Jr.'s artwork made her look like she was a teenager and people just assumed that's around what her age was despite nothing being said until this particular issue to establish her exact age.

Basically, this issue Jet Black and the Falcon get drunk and slept together. During the day after, Jet Black stated her age as 23, so presumably there should have been no problem along those lines. It seems that there were a few too many people who didn't bother reading the dialogue in that scene carefully enough, and based on their incorrect assumptions about her age, jumped to some pretty horrific conclusions about what that scene was depicting.


The lady who wrote the original article read it (even posting that scene with the article) and "didn't believe it" and carried on with her crusade. Even when it was pointed out to her repeatedly... nothing.

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Re: Where's our #fireremender discussion?

Postby Stephen Day » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:19 pm

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The lady who wrote the original article read it (even posting that scene with the article) and "didn't believe it" and carried on with her crusade. Even when it was pointed out to her repeatedly... nothing.


Wow, that just makes it even worse. :smt011
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby superfictious » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:28 pm

With each successive outrage I find myself more and more tired of the medium. Stop complaining and do something a bit more proactive. Comics are small and niche enough to actually make a difference if you put forth the effort. Unfortunately, we're in the age of lazy social justice that only requires the effort of typing a few characters and hitting 'Enter'. Fuck deeper analysis and context.

That being said...how old is the character mentally? If I cared enough to care, this would be the bigger issue. If the answer's 23, end of story. If not, there might be an academic debate. Not worth firing anyone over, though.

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Postby Beige Lantern » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:34 pm

HNutz wrote:So Stack got more information and apologized, but Gloria Miller presumably has not and will not, thinking that a 23 year old initiating sexual relations with a 30-something that's not okay, something that Marvel should apologize for and fire a writer (but not the editor who approved it) over.


That's because RAAAAAAAPE!!!!

I didn't read clearly enough when I said the complaints were not about "taking advantage" because here it is. Remember that there are mainstream feminists declaring that consensual sex involving two drunk partners can still be rape.
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby Stephen Day » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:38 pm

superfictious wrote:With each successive outrage I find myself more and more tired of the medium. Stop complaining and do something a bit more proactive. Comics are small and niche enough to actually make a difference if you put forth the effort. Unfortunately, we're in the age of lazy social justice that only requires the effort of typing a few characters and hitting 'Enter'. Fuck deeper analysis and context.

That being said...how old is the character mentally? If I cared enough to care, this would be the bigger issue. If the answer's 23, end of story. If not, there might be an academic debate. Not worth firing anyone over, though.


IMO, she's been depicted as the typical offspring of a villain trying to do good despite her upbringing. She's a bit manipulative, but I don't see her emotional age as being all that much younger than her physical age. I'd pin it at late teens. around 18 or 19 at the youngest.
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Re: Where's our #fireremender discussion?

Postby HNutz » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:39 pm

Stephen Day wrote:
Wow, that just makes it even worse. :smt011


Yup.

Gloria Miller wrote:. At the start of the series she's a very young child and is even referred to by Remender himself as being an infant. Over the span of Remender's Cap run only 12 years have past. All the previous information given to readers by Rick Remender places Jet Black at about 14 or 15 years old at most.

Here's where it gets sleazy: in issue #22, which came out on Wednesday featured an upsetting spread of panels depicting Sam Wilson getting drunk and sleeping with Jet Black who states that she's 23 years old - in contradiction to everything Remender has told us. Many defenders of Remender's action are complaining that since Jet Black herself claimed to be of age then there's nothing wrong; its painfully obvious that these people haven't read anything else beyond that single panel and certainly not the previous 21 issues that have been telling readers otherwise.


And then people corrected her.

And then she apologized-- oh,wait, no, she's cackling with glee.

So I wrote this in response to Captain America #22 and the massive backlash from fans and the comments coming from Remender apologists literally give me life. Stay thirsty bros!

Big thanks to ComicBookResources.com for citing me and my article!


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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby dairydead » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:53 pm

I remember the good old days when you didn't like books, you just stopped reading them. I don't get why these social justice crusaders spend so much energy on this stuff.

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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:25 pm

dairydead wrote:I remember the good old days when you didn't like books, you just stopped reading them. I don't get why these social justice crusaders spend so much energy on this stuff.


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Postby OneWhoIsAll » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:26 pm

dairydead wrote:I remember the good old days when you didn't like books, you just stopped reading them. I don't get why these social justice crusaders spend so much energy on this stuff.


Most likey because they have nothing better to do.
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Re: Where's our #fireremender discussion?

Postby guitarsmashley » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:34 pm

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Yup.



And then people corrected her.

And then she apologized-- oh,wait, no, she's cackling with glee.



Ugh.


she seems to be just a little bit above Jude level narcism. Which is just the level that makes it dangerous.
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby Grayson » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:06 am

guitarsmashley wrote:But, was she drunk? She does not have the same hangover Falcon has and her metabolism is engineered and different. in theory she raped him.


I do find it highly dubious that the same bloggers who are feigning outrage over this whole affair have seemed to turn a blind eye to this. Sam very clearly has trouble remembering the previous evening while Jet appears to be no worse for the wear. Where are the unapologetic social crusaders to cry foul over this one?
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby guitarsmashley » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:17 am

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I do find it highly dubious that the same bloggers who are feigning outrage over this whole affair have seemed to turn a blind eye to this. Sam very clearly has trouble remembering the previous evening while Jet appears to be no worse for the wear. Where are the unapologetic social crusaders to cry foul over this one?

Women can't rape only black males can. That is the message remender is sending.....or she is???
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Re: Social Justice Crusade Takes Odd Twist After Outraged Fa

Postby Rob Thompson » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:42 am

Dan Slott supports Remender -- which has me reconsidering this. Perhaps Remender does need to go. :P
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