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Tess Fowler: 'Brian Wood is a DICK'

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Frag

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Postby Frag » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:11 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Now, if I were a drug pusher, and I got you addicted to drugs or something, and you were hearing stories that I was still getting other people addicted to drugs, and you went public, that would be my own fault.


The only difference is in this case, I declined your offer of drugs.

And in Wood's case, if she had felt unsafe, she could have had him arrested. But there was no crime. Again, not liking someone because they were a douche to you is fine. Tell your friends. Tell others. Tell your employers. Don't post it on Twitter. You can never take it back.
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Frag

REAL OFFICIAL President of the Outhouse

Postby Frag » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:12 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:I think another aspect is that Wood is a public figure, like it or not, that means a loss of some privacy.


I don't know if I consider him a public figure really. It's not like he's a celebrity.
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:44 am

ReturnoftheMack wrote:
I don't know if I consider him a public figure really. It's not like he's a celebrity.


His name goes on the cover of books and they sell at least partially on its value.
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Spektre

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Postby Spektre » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:19 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
I don't buy the idea that people can't handle making informed decisions, so they shouldn't be privy to information. Things should be talked about MORE frankly and honestly, and maybe we'll make some headway.


Hmmm (strokes chin)...

Except when said person is a young aspiring artist. Then her ability to make an informed decision is impossible. Interesting.
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:21 am

Spektre wrote:
Hmmm (strokes chin)...

Except when said person is a young aspiring artist. Then her ability to make an informed decision is impossible. Interesting.


Yeah, I didn't say that. Play with someone else Spektre. I'm trying to revive the Doctor Who thread. :P
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:41 am

Mack does have a point though. Some labels stick even after someone has been cleared. Rape, pedophile, etc. are toxic words that often linger long after a person has been cleared.
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Tintin Quarantino

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Postby Tintin Quarantino » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:10 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
I don't buy the idea that people can't handle making informed decisions, so they shouldn't be privy to information. Things should be talked about MORE frankly and honestly, and maybe we'll make some headway.


That's not what my emails say! :P
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Punchy

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Postby Punchy » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:16 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Well, that's not how the world works today. Because of stuff like Twitter, information spreads rapidly. People's racist halloween costume photos, which might once have been seen by five people and never again, are on the front page of Gawker. If you're in a career where you're a public figure, you have to be careful. You say he didn't do anything that terrible, and I agree there are degrees to things, but the story as relayed by Fowler is at the very least borderline, and, according to her, not the only one. If true, he was taking that risk every time.

I would advise, as a teacher, you don't meet up with your students in a hotel lobby and repeatedly try to sleep with them. Probably, you shouldn't try to sleep with them at all, since they're students and you're a teacher, and it would be unethical. To maybe a little lesser degree, the same could be said of an established comic book pro and an up and coming one, especially if she is making it clear she's looking for a business relationship and not a romantic or sexual one (again, if her story is accurate).


You'd have a point here, if what Wood had allegedly done happened today, rather than 8 years ago, before the current social media age really began.
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thefourthman

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Postby thefourthman » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:36 am

Punchy wrote:
You'd have a point here, if what Wood had allegedly done happened today, rather than 8 years ago, before the current social media age really began.

The current social media age had nothing to do with it. Immoral behavior is immoral behavior.
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meinterrupted

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Postby meinterrupted » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:40 am

ReturnoftheMack wrote:
:lol: :lol:

You "severely doubt that" and then you do exactly what I just said would happen. :lol:


A group of ~10 people quietly dropping a book does not a boycott make.
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HNutz

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Postby HNutz » Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:54 am

meinterrupted wrote:
A group of ~10 people quietly dropping a book does not a boycott make.


1) How "quietly" are you dropping these books? You've told us about it. You've told Marvel about it. Are you the only one of your friends talking about it? Is this the only forum you've mentioned it in?

2) Regardless of the size of your group or how outspoken you are about it, it's still a boycott. From Google:

verb: boycott; 3rd person present: boycotts; past tense: boycotted; past participle:boycotted; gerund or present participle: boycotting1.withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest.

That is exactly what you're doing. You and your friends are withdrawing from commercial relations with Marvel (and presumably other companies that Wood works for) as a punishment or protest.

So you and your friends are boycotting Wood's books.
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meinterrupted

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Postby meinterrupted » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:08 am

HNutz wrote:
1) How "quietly" are you dropping these books? You've told us about it. You've told Marvel about it. Are you the only one of your friends talking about it? Is this the only forum you've mentioned it in?

2) Regardless of the size of your group or how outspoken you are about it, it's still a boycott. From Google:

verb: boycott; 3rd person present: boycotts; past tense: boycotted; past participle:boycotted; gerund or present participle: boycotting1.withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest.

That is exactly what you're doing. You and your friends are withdrawing from commercial relations with Marvel (and presumably other companies that Wood works for) as a punishment or protest.

So you and your friends are boycotting Wood's books.


I was using "boycott" in the sense of an organized and very public boycott, not a personal decision not to do business with someone/something. So, yes, technically I am boycotting Wood's books then.

But, of course, I believe that a personal boycott is definitely warranted, and that opinion is not shared by the majority of men here. I see his actions--especially in the detailed account Tess Fowler released yesterday--to be predatory and exactly the kind of thing the comics industry should be fighting against. My dollars are just as green as anyone's, and I'm doing what I can to only spend them on books and creators I believe in.
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nietoperz

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Postby nietoperz » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:19 am

meinterrupted wrote:
I was using "boycott" in the sense of an organized and very public boycott, not a personal decision not to do business with someone/something. So, yes, technically I am boycotting Wood's books then.

But, of course, I believe that a personal boycott is definitely warranted, and that opinion is not shared by the majority of men here. I see his actions--especially in the detailed account Tess Fowler released yesterday--to be predatory and exactly the kind of thing the comics industry should be fighting against. My dollars are just as green as anyone's, and I'm doing what I can to only spend them on books and creators I believe in.


And more power to your arm. Would that more people felt as you do.
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oogy

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Postby oogy » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:31 am

I've read this thread over the last few days and don't remember seeing anyone post this yet:

We shouldn't know this.

I'm a fan of Brian Wood's work, but I've never met the guy and won't try to defend his character. I think this is all way overblown. He acted like an ass after his sexual advances were rejected and that should have been the end of it.

3MJ

Postby 3MJ » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:43 am

I have no idea how to think about all this.

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