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The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

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The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby Punchy » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:13 pm

So today I continued my DC catch-up by reading the Aquaman/Justice League crossover (which I enjoyed, but then I really like Johns' Aquaman), and in doing so, I noticed something that really surprised me, and something that I'm surprised hasn't led to a lot more controversy and discussion than it has.

Now I know that this site doesn't really seem to discuss much DC anymore these days, and that we're all worn out with the reboot's changes, but in JL #17, the new Atom appeared and was a woman!

Is this Atom's first appearance? Do we know anything about her? Is it Jean Loring? Is it a gender-flip? Rayna Palmer? Brianna Choi? What's her deal?

And also, how do we feel about this? Did they really need to change the Atom's gender?

I suppose they at least kept his/her awesome costume.

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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby Zechs » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:24 pm

Punchy wrote:So today I continued my DC catch-up by reading the Aquaman/Justice League crossover (which I enjoyed, but then I really like Johns' Aquaman), and in doing so, I noticed something that really surprised me, and something that I'm surprised hasn't led to a lot more controversy and discussion than it has.

Now I know that this site doesn't really seem to discuss much DC anymore these days, and that we're all worn out with the reboot's changes, but in JL #17, the new Atom appeared and was a woman!

Is this Atom's first appearance? Do we know anything about her? Is it Jean Loring? Is it a gender-flip? Rayna Palmer? Brianna Choi? What's her deal?

And also, how do we feel about this? Did they really need to change the Atom's gender?

I suppose they at least kept his/her awesome costume.




If I recall right Ru once said a non Atom Ray Palmer was in Frankenstein.
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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby doombug » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:25 pm

Well good to know that the company continues to be full of shit as they originally said that when they would introduce the Atom it would be Ryan Choi. :smt011
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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby Punchy » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:27 pm

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If I recall right Ru once said a non Atom Ray Palmer was in Frankenstein.


Yeah, he was a supporting character working for SHADE who had invented the shrink-tech.

So who is this woman?

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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby Herald » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:33 pm

Punchy wrote:something that I'm surprised hasn't led to a lot more controversy and discussion than it has.


http://forums.comicbookresources.com/sh ... ale-Heroes

Is this Atom's first appearance?


Apparently, yes.

Do we know anything about her? Is it Jean Loring? Is it a gender-flip? Rayna Palmer? Brianna Choi? What's her deal?


Gender flip, from what I read on that aforementioned CBR thread.

And also, how do we feel about this? Did they really need to change the Atom's gender?


I didn't care much about Ryan Choi when he was a guy. I'm only mildly interested now, in a perfunctory "this character is now Asian female" way.

I suppose they at least kept his/her awesome costume.


Don't worry; Jim Lee will add a high collar and a choker shortly. :P

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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby sdsichero » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:38 pm

Punchy wrote:So today I continued my DC catch-up by reading the Aquaman/Justice League crossover (which I enjoyed, but then I really like Johns' Aquaman), and in doing so, I noticed something that really surprised me, and something that I'm surprised hasn't led to a lot more controversy and discussion than it has.

Now I know that this site doesn't really seem to discuss much DC anymore these days, and that we're all worn out with the reboot's changes, but in JL #17, the new Atom appeared and was a woman!

Is this Atom's first appearance? Do we know anything about her? Is it Jean Loring? Is it a gender-flip? Rayna Palmer? Brianna Choi? What's her deal?

And also, how do we feel about this? Did they really need to change the Atom's gender?

I suppose they at least kept his/her awesome costume.


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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby HNutz » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:48 pm

Rayne Palmer?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of diversity, but, just once, for shit and giggles or to see what storytelling options develop, I'd like to see a character turned into a straight white dude.

(Of course, if that happened, he'd probably A) get killed off quickly and/or B) be a bad guy.)

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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby sdsichero » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:50 pm

HNutz wrote:Rayne Palmer?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of diversity, but, just once, for shit and giggles or to see what storytelling options develop, I'd like to see a character turned into a straight white dude.

(Of course, if that happened, he'd probably A) get killed off quickly and/or B) be a bad guy.)


Jude already appeared as the BeDazzler.

Oh you said straight.

Nevermind.

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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby IvCNuB4 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:01 pm

Old news sort of. Take a close look at the "Trinity War" promo pic that was released back in May 2012

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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby Punchy » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:38 pm

Herald wrote:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/sh ... ale-Heroes



Apparently, yes.



Gender flip, from what I read on that aforementioned CBR thread.



I didn't care much about Ryan Choi when he was a guy. I'm only mildly interested now, in a perfunctory "this character is now Asian female" way.



Don't worry; Jim Lee will add a high collar and a choker shortly. :P


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Postby IvCNuB4 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:48 pm

During her first appearance (in JL) she made a comment about leaving her "guild" which suggested to me that is possibly someone completely new.
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Postby IvCNuB4 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:13 am

HNutz wrote:Rayne Palmer?


Nope, not a Palmer. Her name is Rhonda Pineda.
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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby Johnny Smith » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:30 am

IvCNuB4 wrote:
Nope, not a Palmer. Her name is Rhonda Pineda.


Same initials - RP :lol:

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Postby IvCNuB4 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:54 am

I didn't even notice that :lol:
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Re: The Atom is a woman now? (Justice League #17 Spoilers)

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:59 am

I read it early Wednesday, saw that the Atom was a woman, wasn't Ray Palmer or Ryan Choi.

I didn't post about it because I simply did not care. DC will never understand that force-feeding diversity is the worst thing they do. This Element Woman character is the same deal.

Look. I understand what DC's trying to do. Everyone understands it. Comics are for everyone, and every person should be able to read a comic book and feel that the books are accessible to them, too.

But at the same time, DC can't just run away from its history. Ray Palmer was the original size-changing Atom. It's horrible that the only reason Ray Palmer isn't the Atom is because the character is white. It's horrible.

Integrating characters like Cyborg and Black Lightning and Vibe and Vixen and Katana, creating characters like Simon Baz, are the answer. Find a place for Cassandra Cain and Kimiyo Hoshi in going forward.

If you do those things, use those characters, you don't have to sideline Ray Palmer simply because he was created in a time where there were far more white characters than not. It's just horrible that DC doesn't recognize that.

You can have both. You don't have to hate a character like Ray Palmer, strip away his heroic identity, simply because he isn't diverse.
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