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[Juan Cena]

He is pretty fucking awesome!

If you're an Obama-loving socalist/marxist/maoist.

[TROY]

My books are 3000 miles away right now, so I'm not sure but I think Cinar hasn't done a complete issue after #1. Portela has had a hand in most of them since on up to his 90% of the last issue.

Here's hoping that Portela (or someone else) continues to get the majority of the pages.

Yeah the Portela pages are much better!

[Juan Cena]

OK so I am all caught up on the new LoSH comic, and I am loving it! Artwork is hit or miss and I prefer the other artist over Cinar, can't think of his name right now, but it is still good. Earthman is really growing on me as a character and I love the Durlan Terrorist Subplot, can't wait to see where that leads! Next up is catching up on the Adventure Comics!

My main problem with the Durlan subplot is that it furthers this Humans vs. Aliens as a core element to the Legion book crap that Geoff Johns wrought.

[Amoebas]

My main problem with the Durlan subplot is that it furthers this Humans vs. Aliens as a core element to the Legion book crap that Geoff Johns wrought.

Okay - Either you are insane or you've suppressed the entirety of Durlan history in the LSH.

I know which way I'm leaning.

[Juan Cena]

Okay - Either you are insane or you've suppressed the entirety of Durlan history in the LSH.

I know which way I'm leaning.

I said Humans vs. Aliens. Not the other way around. Humans have never been presented as the bad guy in the way they were in Johns' "Supes & the LSH" story. The Durlan subplot is a result of that.

[Amoebas]

I said Humans vs. Aliens. Not the other way around. Humans have never been presented as the bad guy in the way they were in Johns' "Supes & the LSH" story. The Durlan subplot is a result of that.

Oh.. HUMANS vs Aliens is different from Aliens vs HUMANS (just like humanity vs Nazi's is different from Nazi's vs humanity (or dogs vs cats is diff from cats vs dogs (or.....))))

In other words...

And Humans have indeed been presented as the bad guys. Anyone with a passing knowledge of Blok or Gates can attest to that (not to mention all the chaos and horror that humans like Roxxas, Universo, Dark Circle, Tharok, etc have done to their fellow humans AND aliens).

[Juan Cena]

Oh.. HUMANS vs Aliens is different from Aliens vs HUMANS (just like humanity vs Nazi's is different from Nazi's vs humanity (or dogs vs cats is diff from cats vs dogs (or.....))))

In other words...

In a situation where humanity has been shown to be for the most part to be leading the way in spreading peace and defending freedom for all races, yes. There is a difference.

Earth has been always been shown in LSH (pre 5YG) to be the home of the UP, and the President of Earth shown to play a central role in the UP's mission. [/quote]

And Humans have indeed been presented as the bad guys. Anyone with a passing knowledge of Blok or Gates can attest to that (not to mention all the chaos and horror that humans like Roxxas, Universo, Dark Circle, Tharok, etc have done to their fellow humans AND aliens).[/quote]

Universo isn't human. I believe Levitz showed that back in #295, where he was one of the three alien GL's that faced the Legion. (Or did you forget to notice Vidar's pointed ears?)
The Dark Circle was composed of alien and humanoids (never mentioned if they were human or not).

As for Roxxas and Tharrok, I don't think they've been established as being human (i.e. being from Earth decent),either. F k, Roxxas was a Daxamite in the Archie Legion, even!

Yes, the Legion has faced a lot of human and humanoid enemies. They weren't seen as representing Earth or mankind as being on some kind of anti-alien crusade, though.

(And before you say it, Roxxas' agents killed all the Tromians because they refused to be their slaves. Heck, in the original story Roxxas was pi$$ed that his men killed them all ('cept for Jan, of course).) (S/LSH #211 is a little different, but if doesn't give Roxxas' species, either.)

And you miss the point. Earth and Humanity as a whole has never been seen in the Legion as being antagonistic to aliens the way it was is Action #858-#863. And there hasn't been much of an effort to show that that was just an aberration caused by mental control or massive brainwashing or something more illogical.

[TROY]

I think the anti-alien sentiment shown by Earthlings in the current Legion book shines a bright light on how society even now no matter how progressive we think we are as a whole still hold way to many prejudices and wrongful judgments against those that are different. Just because this wasn't shown in other incarnations of the Legion I believe that it was always there because as a whole Earthlings can't even get along with one another, it is not a stretch by any means to think that they would be unaccepting to various alien cultures.

[Amoebas]

In a situation where humanity has been shown to be for the most part to be leading the way in spreading peace and defending freedom for all races, yes. There is a difference.

Earth has been always been shown in LSH (pre 5YG) to be the home of the UP, and the President of Earth shown to play a central role in the UP's mission.

This is not in question by anyone. What is in question is your misunderstanding that between LSH #63 and the Lightning Saga is that... "Stuff Happened".

Universo isn't human. I believe Levitz showed that back in #295, where he was one of the three alien GL's that faced the Legion. (Or did you forget to notice Vidar's pointed ears?)
The Dark Circle was composed of alien and humanoids (never mentioned if they were human or not).

As for Roxxas and Tharrok, I don't think they've been established as being human (i.e. being from Earth decent),either. F k, Roxxas was a Daxamite in the Archie Legion, even!

Yes, the Legion has faced a lot of human and humanoid enemies. They weren't seen as representing Earth or mankind as being on some kind of anti-alien crusade, though.

(And before you say it, Roxxas' agents killed all the Tromians because they refused to be their slaves. Heck, in the original story Roxxas was pi$$ed that his men killed them all ('cept for Jan, of course).) (S/LSH #211 is a little different, but if doesn't give Roxxas' species, either.)

Deflect the point all you want (and btw - "human" in the DCU does not exactly mean Earthen or Terran), but the alien races out there don't need to see Roxxas or whomever as representing Earth to know that Earth means trouble. The Invasion of 1988 is proof enough that alien races are mindful/fearful of that little blue/green planet in the Sol System. It's not much of a stretch that that animosity extends 1000 years into the future (and vice versa as Earth people get tired and pissed of the a different alien invasion seemingly every month).

And you miss the point. Earth and Humanity as a whole has never been seen in the Legion as being antagonistic to aliens the way it was is Action #858-#863. And there hasn't been much of an effort to show that that was just an aberration caused by mental control or massive brainwashing or something more illogical.

Your fanfic is appreciated but completely unneeded.

The DCU Earth has for a very long time shown antagonism to aliens. With the exception of Superman, aliens were not welcome on Earth. J'Onn, Katar, Scott, etc all hid their true identies - why? Because they were aliens and didn't want to get found out. Why? Because Earth people were suspicious of aliens. Starro, Mongul, Despero, Sinestro, Brainiac, etc - the list goes on of aliens causing chaos and death on Earth. All that stuff is in the 31st Century history books.

It doesn't take an expert to see how one man could use that and with enough twist and turns be able to rewrite history (it happens ALL the time in our real world).

In our little pretend world, Earth Man lied. People believed him. It happens and it can happen quickly. Just like it did in our world. Look at how quick Muslims have gone from being our neighbors to being our enemy (and I'm talking American Muslims here). While this is not true in the slightest there are enough paranoid/ignorant people out there that actually believe it.

In less than 10 years we went from social ice cream parties to "all Muslims are terrorists" (again, not something I believe in the slightest but we all know people who do).

It's sad - but it happens, both here on our world and in the 31st Century pretend world.

On the plus side in the current Legion, Earth is trying to get over this xenophobia. Maybe someday you can make your first effort to try and get over your realLegionobia.

[Juan Cena]

This is not in question by anyone. What is in question is your misunderstanding that between LSH #63 and the Lightning Saga is that... "Stuff Happened".

Yes, Bevis, stuff happened. And it would be helpful if Levitz would get off his butt and explain exactly what happened, and how Earth goes magically xenophobic.

Deflect the point all you want (and btw - "human" in the DCU does not exactly mean Earthen or Terran), but the alien races out there don't need to see Roxxas or whomever as representing Earth to know that Earth means trouble. The Invasion of 1988 is proof enough that alien races are mindful/fearful of that little blue/green planet in the Sol System. It's not much of a stretch that that animosity extends 1000 years into the future (and vice versa as Earth people get tired and pissed of the a different alien invasion seemingly every month).


Your fanfic is appreciated but completely unneeded.

The DCU Earth has for a very long time shown antagonism to aliens. With the exception of Superman, aliens were not welcome on Earth. J'Onn, Katar, Scott, etc all hid their true identies - why? Because they were aliens and didn't want to get found out. Why? Because Earth people were suspicious of aliens. Starro, Mongul, Despero, Sinestro, Brainiac, etc - the list goes on of aliens causing chaos and death on Earth. All that stuff is in the 31st Century history books.

Emphasis on "history" there. It's stuff that happened in the past. 31st century Earth was supposed to be different in that the feelings of mass xenpohopia were things of the past. Legion era Earth is the hub of a galactic civilization. It's not a backwater part of the universe the wat it is in the modern era Earth. Big difference.

It doesn't take an expert to see how one man could use that and with enough twist and turns be able to rewrite history (it happens ALL the time in our real world).

The people who believe crap like that in our real world already have a mindset to believe any bull$#!t you tell them. The Legion's time is supposed to be differenti in that humans (as in those of Earth decent_

In our little pretend world, Earth Man lied. People believed him. It happens and it can happen quickly. Just like it did in our world. Look at how quick Muslims have gone from being our neighbors to being our enemy (and I'm talking American Muslims here). While this is not true in the slightest there are enough paranoid/ignorant people out there that actually believe it.

In less than 10 years we went from social ice cream parties to "all Muslims are terrorists" (again, not something I believe in the slightest but we all know people who do).


It's sad - but it happens, both here on our world and in the 31st Century pretend world. [/quote]

You obviously never listened to talk radio before 9-11.


There were Americans with anti-Muslim Feelings before 9-11. Or the first Gulf War, for that matter. They just didn't pop up over night. We're definitely not the Earth of the Legion, who had gotten over any group anti-alien hostility.

On the plus side in the current Legion, Earth is trying to get over this xenophobia. Maybe someday you can make your first effort to try and get over your realLegionobia.

And maybe someday you be able to discern quality from mediocruty, which the current series is.

[Cat-Scratch]

Fugging Fourboot...

[Juan Cena]

I think the anti-alien sentiment shown by Earthlings in the current Legion book shines a bright light on how society even now no matter how progressive we think we are as a whole still hold way to many prejudices and wrongful judgments against those that are different. Just because this wasn't shown in other incarnations of the Legion I believe that it was always there because as a whole Earthlings can't even get along with one another, it is not a stretch by any means to think that they would be unaccepting to various alien cultures.

One of the Legion's strong points that it was in an optimistic, Trek-like future (even if it was Pre-Trek). It was an era where humanity had moved on from it's internal bickering and had become a part the hub of a Galactic civilization. The anti-alien $#!t lessens the book.

[Amoebas]

And maybe someday you be able to discern quality from mediocruty, which the current series is.

I never said the new series was the best book on the self because frankly, it isn't.

But you know, one day, whether it be this evening or next decade, I'd love to know why you spend so much time actively despising every fiber of the Legion.

You don't like the real Legion. Understood. But this is a "FAN" thread. Every time you post here it's an oxymoron because really, you are the WORST Legion fan I've ever run across (and that includes Chappy).

How many more years is it going to take before you either join us on the Legion bus (which is a blast) or you cease persistently being Blabbering-Lamoid-AntiLegion-Nagger Lad?



Long Live the Legion.

[Juan Cena]

I never said the new series was the best book on the self because frankly, it isn't.

But you know, one day, whether it be this evening or next decade, I'd love to know why you spend so much time actively despising every fiber of the Legion.

You don't like the real Legion. Understood. But this is a "FAN" thread. Every time you post here it's an oxymoron because really, you are the WORST Legion fan I've ever run across (and that includes Chappy).

How many more years is it going to take before you either join us on the Legion bus (which is a blast) or you cease persistently being Blabbering-Lamoid-AntiLegion-Nagger Lad?



Long Live the Legion.

I loved the classic Legion.
I thought the Threeboot was a book where the characters acted and spoke in a way that resembled the real teens and young adults I knew.
What I don't like is this wretched post-Infinite Crisis continuity that is turning the Legion into a something that looks like leftover X-Men humans vs. mutants crap.
I would have loved to see Geoff Johns make Lo3W more of a LSH: Rebirth than a book that spent more time on reviving Bart & Connor. It felt by the end that remaking the Legion concept into a 21st century (31st, you know what I mean) book that would be selling in the range of Johns' GL and JSoA books. Sadly, it didn't seem that was the case. If it were, he'd be writing the book instead of Levitz.

[BlueStreak]

I loved the classic Legion.
I thought the Threeboot was a book where the characters acted and spoke in a way that resembled the real teens and young adults I knew.
What I don't like is this wretched post-Infinite Crisis continuity that is turning the Legion into a something that looks like leftover X-Men humans vs. mutants crap.
I would have loved to see Geoff Johns make Lo3W more of a LSH: Rebirth than a book that spent more time on reviving Bart & Connor. It felt by the end that remaking the Legion concept into a 21st century (31st, you know what I mean) book that would be selling in the range of Johns' GL and JSoA books. Sadly, it didn't seem that was the case. If it were, he'd be writing the book instead of Levitz.

Johns can't write every book in the DCU.

With his new job, he can barely handle two.