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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:22 am

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby GOSD » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:11 am

nietoperz wrote:Things DC doesn't like: my money, apparently.


Agreed.

I've been a fan of the Flash since forever but this is unforgiveable to me.

When I get my copy of this rape, I will burn it.

Flash dropped.

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby Amoebas » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:53 am

GOSD wrote:
Agreed.

I've been a fan of the Flash since forever but this is unforgiveable to me.

When I get my copy of this rape, I will burn it.

Flash dropped.

Wally being black doesn't enter into it for me. Flash was dropped just because it wasn't very good (especially now when the name Brett Booth is reason to drop a book regardless).

Wally, in his last known incarnation, was overshadowed and bogged down by his kids. Now that their not in the picture (I hope) it's time for the character to get a chance to shine.

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby nietoperz » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:05 am

Amoebas wrote:Wally being black doesn't enter into it for me. Flash was dropped just because it wasn't very good (especially now when the name Brett Booth is reason to drop a book regardless).

Wally, in his last known incarnation, was overshadowed and bogged down by his kids. Now that their not in the picture (I hope) it's time for the character to get a chance to shine.


Except that this isn't Wally West, not really - and ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Wally West was Barry Allen's sidekick who grew up, stepped out of his mentor's shadow and became one of the greatest heroes of the DCU in his own right. This character shares his name, but that's it.

In the end, I don't begrudge people who want to follow this universe the right to enjoy the stories, but let's not kid ourselves that it's the DCU. That particular institution ceased to exist after Flashpoint - this is something entirely new, with a bunch of new characters with familiar names. For me, that means it's time to step off, enjoy the back issues and trades I have and mourn the passing of something that meant a great deal to me for a long time.

And no, this is not just because of Wally (who, admittedly, was my favourite DC character for more than two decades) - not one DC character remains anything more than a similarly-named shadow of what they once were, and the universe itself suffers, in my opinion, from having been precised and abbreviated to the extent that it has.
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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby GOSD » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:49 am

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Except that this isn't Wally West, not really - and ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Wally West was Barry Allen's sidekick who grew up, stepped out of his mentor's shadow and became one of the greatest heroes of the DCU in his own right. This character shares his name, but that's it.

In the end, I don't begrudge people who want to follow this universe the right to enjoy the stories, but let's not kid ourselves that it's the DCU. That particular institution ceased to exist after Flashpoint - this is something entirely new, with a bunch of new characters with familiar names. For me, that means it's time to step off, enjoy the back issues and trades I have and mourn the passing of something that meant a great deal to me for a long time.

And no, this is not just because of Wally (who, admittedly, was my favourite DC character for more than two decades) - not one DC character remains anything more than a similarly-named shadow of what they once were, and the universe itself suffers, in my opinion, from having been precised and abbreviated to the extent that it has.


Exactly.

When Mile Morales "replaced" Peter Parker as Spider-man, I was hesitant but ok with that. This was a new character with tons of potential and I'm glad that I'm onboard.

I've been an avid Flash fan since 1986 and my Flash has always been Wally.

I've never felt the term "raped my childhood" applied to me until now.

Thanks DC.

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby Chessack » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:55 am

nietoperz wrote:Except that this isn't Wally West, not really - and ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Wally West was Barry Allen's sidekick who grew up, stepped out of his mentor's shadow and became one of the greatest heroes of the DCU in his own right. This character shares his name, but that's it.

In the end, I don't begrudge people who want to follow this universe the right to enjoy the stories, but let's not kid ourselves that it's the DCU. That particular institution ceased to exist after Flashpoint - this is something entirely new, with a bunch of new characters with familiar names. For me, that means it's time to step off, enjoy the back issues and trades I have and mourn the passing of something that meant a great deal to me for a long time.

And no, this is not just because of Wally (who, admittedly, was my favourite DC character for more than two decades) - not one DC character remains anything more than a similarly-named shadow of what they once were, and the universe itself suffers, in my opinion, from having been precised and abbreviated to the extent that it has.


^^^^ This. 100%... 1,000%... 1,000,000% this.

The New 52 characters are all "INOs" -- the character In Name Only. There are a few who are closer than others, but the vast, VAST majority of them are really the character in name and in very broad powerset terms only.

But I guess DC would say that we need to "get with the program." That the original versions we liked, those aren't hip enough, grim enough, gritty enough, badass enough, to attract popular attention. And maybe that's true.

But as someone else said above, this decision also means that something else DC doesn't like very much is my money. Because I now spend WAY more of it per month on indies than I do on DC Comics. And that is something that last happened in the 1980s (when I spent more on Marvel than on DC).

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:47 am

Chessack wrote:
^^^^ This. 100%... 1,000%... 1,000,000% this.

The New 52 characters are all "INOs" -- the character In Name Only. There are a few who are closer than others, but the vast, VAST majority of them are really the character in name and in very broad powerset terms only.

But I guess DC would say that we need to "get with the program." That the original versions we liked, those aren't hip enough, grim enough, gritty enough, badass enough, to attract popular attention. And maybe that's true.

But as someone else said above, this decision also means that something else DC doesn't like very much is my money. Because I now spend WAY more of it per month on indies than I do on DC Comics. And that is something that last happened in the 1980s (when I spent more on Marvel than on DC).


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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby Amoebas » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:05 am

nietoperz wrote:
Except that this isn't Wally West, not really - and ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Wally West was Barry Allen's sidekick who grew up, stepped out of his mentor's shadow and became one of the greatest heroes of the DCU in his own right. This character shares his name, but that's it.

In the end, I don't begrudge people who want to follow this universe the right to enjoy the stories, but let's not kid ourselves that it's the DCU. That particular institution ceased to exist after Flashpoint - this is something entirely new, with a bunch of new characters with familiar names. For me, that means it's time to step off, enjoy the back issues and trades I have and mourn the passing of something that meant a great deal to me for a long time.

And no, this is not just because of Wally (who, admittedly, was my favourite DC character for more than two decades) - not one DC character remains anything more than a similarly-named shadow of what they once were, and the universe itself suffers, in my opinion, from having been precised and abbreviated to the extent that it has.

Likewise, I don't begrudge those who've left. I've just seen DC retcon and reboot itself often enough that I don't mind rolling with it. It's what DC does every decade or so (going back to something like George Perez's Wonder Woman - that wasn't the Wonder Woman anyone had known, yet it was damn good. New 52 Swamp Thing isn't the same as the Pre-Flashpoint Swamp Thing - but Swamp Thing is probably the best book being published right now)(The New 52 Wonder Woman is a close second).

This new Wally West could very well be a great character, or he could be a dud. I'll judge this based on this new character and not on what I'd prefer him to be based on a different continuity.

That said, it'll be a while before I judge anything because right now I can't stand the art enough to get me to follow the book.

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby doombug » Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:57 pm

nietoperz wrote:
Except that this isn't Wally West, not really - and ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Wally West was Barry Allen's sidekick who grew up, stepped out of his mentor's shadow and became one of the greatest heroes of the DCU in his own right. This character shares his name, but that's it.

In the end, I don't begrudge people who want to follow this universe the right to enjoy the stories, but let's not kid ourselves that it's the DCU. That particular institution ceased to exist after Flashpoint - this is something entirely new, with a bunch of new characters with familiar names. For me, that means it's time to step off, enjoy the back issues and trades I have and mourn the passing of something that meant a great deal to me for a long time.

And no, this is not just because of Wally (who, admittedly, was my favourite DC character for more than two decades) - not one DC character remains anything more than a similarly-named shadow of what they once were, and the universe itself suffers, in my opinion, from having been precised and abbreviated to the extent that it has.

Just exactly this.

There's very little I actually enjoy about the new 52 because for the most part, these aren't the characters I grew up reading. (and once again, I'm only 26)

I do enjoy Earth 2 for changing things up the way they do but that's different to the issue of changing a characters complete identity but keeping their name.
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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby Chessack » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:03 pm

doombug wrote:There's very little I actually enjoy about the new 52 because for the most part, these aren't the characters I grew up reading. (and once again, I'm only 26)


Think how much worse it is for someone much older than you are (I'm 45).

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby Herald » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:31 pm

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Why do want to be like Herald? Haven't enough hookers died because of him?


The real question is: Why not? :-D


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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby holtom2000 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:47 pm

nietoperz wrote:
Except that this isn't Wally West, not really - and ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Wally West was Barry Allen's sidekick who grew up, stepped out of his mentor's shadow and became one of the greatest heroes of the DCU in his own right. This character shares his name, but that's it.

In the end, I don't begrudge people who want to follow this universe the right to enjoy the stories, but let's not kid ourselves that it's the DCU. That particular institution ceased to exist after Flashpoint - this is something entirely new, with a bunch of new characters with familiar names. For me, that means it's time to step off, enjoy the back issues and trades I have and mourn the passing of something that meant a great deal to me for a long time.

And no, this is not just because of Wally (who, admittedly, was my favourite DC character for more than two decades) - not one DC character remains anything more than a similarly-named shadow of what they once were, and the universe itself suffers, in my opinion, from having been precised and abbreviated to the extent that it has.


what he said. how can a completely different character they happen to be named wally West be anything but compared to the Wally West we all knew, loved, and the one that sold very very well I might add...

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby holtom2000 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:48 pm

Chessack wrote:
Think how much worse it is for someone much older than you are (I'm 45).


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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:07 pm

Herald wrote:


The real question is: Why not? :-D

Because you aid and abet this man:

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Re: Things DC Doesn't Like!

Postby RoosterHardwood » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:19 am

I heard DC hates people who read comics.

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