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Re: Uncanny Avengers #10 (Gandhi didn't have the power Spoil

Postby chap22 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:04 pm

Grayson wrote:
I love that book but I can't wait for Pacheco to take over as the artist.

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Re: Uncanny Avengers #10 (Gandhi didn't have the power Spoil

Postby TimDrake'sDumbWings » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:06 pm

chap22 wrote:huh. if anything his art is the weak link on that book IMMO.


Always been a fan of JRJr's art. And I feel like White's just adding depth and three dimensionality to his work. He seems like a pretty polarizing artist.

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Postby chap22 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:18 pm

TimDrake'sDumbWings wrote:
Always been a fan of JRJr's art. And I feel like White's just adding depth and three dimensionality to his work. He seems like a pretty polarizing artist.

I have grown less and less enamored of his art since about the time of JMS's Spidey. I loved him back in the late 70s, 80s, and up into the 90s, but the blockier and more stylized his work has gotten over the years, the less I've liked it. the last thing I really liked him on was probably Hulk under Jenkins, and that was only a few issues.
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Re: Uncanny Avengers #10 (Gandhi didn't have the power Spoil

Postby Grayson » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:30 pm

The problem that I have with Romita Jr. and his current style is the same problem that I have with guys like Steve Dillon. I like their art but not when it comes to conventional, mainstream, superhero comics.
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Re: Uncanny Avengers #10 (Gandhi didn't have the power Spoil

Postby TimDrake'sDumbWings » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:51 pm

Grayson wrote:The problem that I have with Romita Jr. and his current style is the same problem that I have with guys like Steve Dillon. I like their art but not when it comes to conventional, mainstream, superhero comics.


I would LOVE to see Romita's art outside of a superhero comic. I can't even imagine what that'd look like.

With Dillon, I already know: the same five faces over and over and over again.

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Re: Uncanny Avengers #10 (Gandhi didn't have the power Spoil

Postby Stephen Day » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:13 pm

chap22 wrote:I love the story Remender's telling. it's huge. it feels daunting. the heroes are already up to their necks in bad, bad shit and I don't know how they'll get out.

now if only plot was all that a story required...


because Jesus CHRIST the characterization and interpersonal dynamics in this book are so sophomoric and irritatingly grating that it makes the book a chore to read. Wanda and Havok's interaction this issue? cheesy. Rogue all of a sudden crushing on over-protective Thor...wut? and Rogue's general completely shrewy bitchiness to everyone else? blargh. the only thing that felt close to "real" was Jan and Cap's conversation (which even that verged on over-the-top) and Wolvy's description of Sunfire to Ozymandias. everything else was crap.


What Chap says here is absolutely correct. The overall story going on in this series is great, but the individual characters -- yeah WTF? It seems like every month I question whether or not I want to keep reading due to the horrible characterization. The desire to see where all of this is going and to see what happens keeps me coming back.
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Postby gurkle » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:31 pm

I bought it for a while because I was glad to see Scarlet Witch back in an Avengers book after years of being the Marvel Punching Bag, but I just don't think it works. The basic plots are OK, but the arguments over mutant metaphors are really tone-deaf and long. (I feel like you have to be a really deft writer to pull this off, and the "don't call me a mutant" speech sounded a lot like a speech Peter David wrote much more deftly in X-Factor a couple of decades back.) Plus the whole thing of characters being jerks to each other is tiresome, and especially tiresome for the Witch, whose official MU characterization has gone from "crazy" to "potentially crazy and a self-hating mutant." (Adam Warren's little Scarlet Witch/Domino manga-style story the other month demonstrated that she's much better off in lighter stories where her confusing power set can be treated as a joke.)

Remender is trying some things that I kind of enjoy, like the bombastic narration captions (I wonder if he picked this up because he used to ink Avengers during the Kang Dynasty era) and the basic plots are OK, as I said, I just don't know if he was ready for a book this big... or maybe it's just that Marvel put the concept together too haphazardly to cash in on Avengers vs. X-Men. Anyway I hope either that they rotate in some characters who are really good at being jerks (Quicksilver?) or just drop the idea of everyone hating each other.

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Postby Draco x » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:19 pm

Another good review from Punchy.

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Re: Uncanny Avengers #10 (Gandhi didn't have the power Spoil

Postby Arion » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:24 pm

Grayson wrote:The problem that I have with Romita Jr. and his current style is the same problem that I have with guys like Steve Dillon. I like their art but not when it comes to conventional, mainstream, superhero comics.


That's an interesting point. I like Romita Jr. on Kick-Ass, somehow the imperfection of his lines and the untidiness complement the nature of the character. But on mainstream superhero titles sometimes he looks a bit too 'unfinished'...

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