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Arion

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Postby Arion » Thu May 09, 2013 3:15 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Which goes back to the need to expand it outside of the comic shops. Comic books need to try to regain the mainstream retail space that was lost in the 80's and 90's.


I know. I wonder why is it so hard for them to realize that.
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outsider

Outhouse Drafter

Postby outsider » Thu May 09, 2013 3:21 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Which goes back to the need to expand it outside of the comic shops. Comic books need to try to regain the mainstream retail space that was lost in the 80's and 90's.
Years ago at Newsarama's panel at HeroesCon, I asked JoeQ why comics weren't in supermarket checkout lines like Archie. He said they simply couldn't afford it with their broad number of titles whereas Archie has only a few digest titles. I don't like that answer, but at least I got one.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu May 09, 2013 3:23 pm

outsider wrote:Years ago at Newsarama's panel at HeroesCon, I asked JoeQ why comics weren't in supermarket checkout lines like Archie. He said they simply couldn't afford it with their broad number of titles whereas Archie has only a few digest titles. I don't like that answer, but at least I got one.


It's a real answer too.

The comics market has done nothing but collapse into a cottage industry... even with giant money making movies.

Which leads me to a question to make a thread about...
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Chesscub

WTF is this rank?

Postby Chesscub » Thu May 09, 2013 3:23 pm

outsider wrote:Years ago at Newsarama's panel at HeroesCon, I asked JoeQ why comics weren't in supermarket checkout lines like Archie. He said they simply couldn't afford it with their broad number of titles whereas Archie has only a few digest titles. I don't like that answer, but at least I got one.


Yet DC and Marvel could always do a digest book. I know DC did at one point in the 80s with reprint material. I'm surprised that Disney hasn't decided to do something about that. It's perfect marketing to get people to the Avengers. Reprinting Marvel Adventures Avengers or Marvel Adventures Iron Man.
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outsider

Outhouse Drafter

Postby outsider » Thu May 09, 2013 3:29 pm

Chesscub wrote:
Yet DC and Marvel could always do a digest book. I know DC did at one point in the 80s with reprint material. I'm surprised that Disney hasn't decided to do something about that. It's perfect marketing to get people to the Avengers. Reprinting Marvel Adventures Avengers or Marvel Adventures Iron Man.
Oh, I mentioned DC's Blue Ribbon Digests as an example, but JoeQ avoided talking about that (damn him). I didn't want to be 'that guy' and bug him more than I already was. 'That guy' was present, though, and asked a shit-ton of questions about Captain America. Even Matt Brady was getting annoyed, lol.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu May 09, 2013 3:31 pm

Chesscub wrote:
Yet DC and Marvel could always do a digest book. I know DC did at one point in the 80s with reprint material. I'm surprised that Disney hasn't decided to do something about that. It's perfect marketing to get people to the Avengers. Reprinting Marvel Adventures Avengers or Marvel Adventures Iron Man.



DC started that around 1979 and then ended it by 1984. They were great. The Adventure Comics stuff was terrific.
Meanwhile, Marvel had the short lived Pocket Book reprints around 1978. Great stuff too. DC did some black & white reprints in PB style. Okay but they changed so much of the art work... not so good.
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Regulator

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Postby Regulator » Thu May 09, 2013 3:32 pm

You guys act like comics would actually sell in a grocery store, but why do you think they aren't there any more? Because they hadn't been selling! FCBD is about comic book stores because they're the ones who need comics to sell. Putting FCBD in a grocery store is not going to get people to go back to buying comic books there because the people who would have bought them there don't want to buy comic books in the first place.
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Chesscub

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Postby Chesscub » Thu May 09, 2013 3:34 pm

Regulator wrote:You guys act like comics would actually sell in a grocery store, but why do you think they aren't there any more? Because they hadn't been selling! FCBD is about comic book stores because they're the ones who need comics to sell. Putting FCBD in a grocery store is not going to get people to go back to buying comic books there because the people who would have bought them there don't want to buy comic books in the first place.


Which is why you do reprint digests. The bulk of the cost is in publishing on lesser quality paper with some being kicked back to the original creators.
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outsider

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Postby outsider » Thu May 09, 2013 3:37 pm

Regulator wrote:You guys act like comics would actually sell in a grocery store, but why do you think they aren't there any more? Because they hadn't been selling! FCBD is about comic book stores because they're the ones who need comics to sell. Putting FCBD in a grocery store is not going to get people to go back to buying comic books there because the people who would have bought them there don't want to buy comic books in the first place.
I agree - comics will not work in a mainstream setting until they can be significantly cheaper ($1, maybe $2). The dollar-per-minute of entertainment value in a comic versus a video game, especially an app, is significantly different - even when you factor in the cost of having a smartphone or tablet.

It sucks b/c I loves me some comics, but unless you have parents buying them, kiddos aren't going to get them on their own until they're in their tweens or even older.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu May 09, 2013 3:41 pm

Chesscub wrote:
Which is why you do reprint digests. The bulk of the cost is in publishing on lesser quality paper with some being kicked back to the original creators.


This.

outsider wrote:I agree - comics will not work in a mainstream setting until they can be significantly cheaper ($1, maybe $2). The dollar-per-minute of entertainment value in a comic versus a video game, especially an app, is significantly different - even when you factor in the cost of having a smartphone or tablet.

It sucks b/c I loves me some comics, but unless you have parents buying them, kiddos aren't going to get them on their own until they're in their tweens or even older.


But this too.
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outsider

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Postby outsider » Thu May 09, 2013 3:44 pm

I don't know how to make it affordable (reprints?) but if comics could be in the godsdamnedmuthafucking 'Dollar Spot' or whatever it's called at Target, Walmart, etc., I think they could get some of that mainstream flavor back. That cheap shit is like crack to kids, and weak-willed parents that are sick of hearing whining will easily cave because if a buck or two will give them a moment's peace while they go buy groceries, they'll do it.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Thu May 09, 2013 3:48 pm

outsider wrote:I don't know how to make it affordable (reprints?) but if comics could be in the godsdamnedmuthafucking 'Dollar Spot' or whatever it's called at Target, Walmart, etc., I think they could get some of that mainstream flavor back. That cheap shit is like crack to kids, and weak-willed parents that are sick of hearing whining will easily cave because if a buck or two will give them a moment's peace while they go buy groceries, they'll do it.


That or the old grab bag style with one or three old/recent comics in each bag for something like a buck. Mind you, those were really just the distributors pulling a fast make-a-buck while ripping off the publishers.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Thu May 09, 2013 4:11 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:

DC started that around 1979 and then ended it by 1984. They were great. The Adventure Comics stuff was terrific.
Meanwhile, Marvel had the short lived Pocket Book reprints around 1978. Great stuff too. DC did some black & white reprints in PB style. Okay but they changed so much of the art work... not so good.


The trouble is that I don't recall ever seeing the DC digests where I usually find the Archie digests - In the checkout line. That would require DC/Marvel/whoever to pay for that space, IIRC.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Thu May 09, 2013 4:33 pm

outsider wrote:Years ago at Newsarama's panel at HeroesCon, I asked JoeQ why comics weren't in supermarket checkout lines like Archie. He said they simply couldn't afford it with their broad number of titles whereas Archie has only a few digest titles. I don't like that answer, but at least I got one.


I don't think there's many magazine publishers that have a "broad number of titles" that have all their mags sold at the supermarket. Heck, It's been like forever since i saw a regular issue of Sports Illustrated over at Publix. So that's not much of an excuse.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Thu May 09, 2013 4:49 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:

DC started that around 1979 and then ended it by 1984. They were great. The Adventure Comics stuff was terrific.
Meanwhile, Marvel had the short lived Pocket Book reprints around 1978. Great stuff too. DC did some black & white reprints in PB style. Okay but they changed so much of the art work... not so good.



The trouble with the DC digests was that they never has anything like a regular Superman digest or a Batman digest. They could've had a Superman digest, for example, which featured a couple of reprints of solo Supes stories, a Supergirl story, a JLA story with Supes in it, a Superboy/LSH story, and maybe a rotating non-Supes character (WW, Capt. Marvel, GL, etc.) Same with Batman. Or maybe a JLA digest with a couple of JLA stories with Flash, WW, GL, Aquaman, etc. as well.

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