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Postby Punchy » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:01 am

McKegan wrote:Mystique is Nightcrawler's 'father', not mother?


That was the original Claremont plan, Mystique became a man and fucked Destiny, the baby was Nightcrawler.

But then Austen made that Demon dude Nightcrawler's dad, and Mystique the mum.

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Postby Benderbrau » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:02 am

Man of steel wrote:I dont know if you are A list if you cant even hold your own book or at least be one of the top 4 or 5 members of your team book.

I mean, Firestar is not A list :P

Books sales =/= recognition factor.
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Postby Spidey-Man » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:02 am

It's so forced most of the time when they do these reveals.

Well we need more diversity so we will tack something on that doesn't make any sense on some c list character just to get some attention and shut up whatever minority is complaining this time.

Rawhide Kid. Totally gay. We're so brave making a character gay who no one had thought about in 40 yrs. :lol:

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Postby Rockman » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:03 am

Punchy wrote:That was the original Claremont plan, Mystique became a man and fucked Destiny, the baby was Nightcrawler.

But then Austen made that Demon dude Nightcrawler's dad, and Mystique the mum.


Most people ignore that story though.

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Postby Spidey-Man » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:03 am

Benderbrau wrote:Books sales =/= recognition factor.


Why does outside recognition factor matter? They arent making Iceman gay in the X-men movie or Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.

Its in the comic books.

Even with the movies, Iceman is not A list. None of the movies are about him and Amazing Frieds was 30 yrs.

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Postby outsider » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:03 am

Benderbrau wrote:Books sales =/= recognition factor.
Iceman is B-list, and the only reason he's as high as that is his X-Men and Spider-Man connections, otherwise he'd be floundering in C-listville (towards the outskirts of D-listington).

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Postby Rockman » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:04 am

Human Torch might be A-list, Iceman not so much.

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Postby Punchy » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:05 am

AMS wrote:Most people ignore that story though.


Yep, but it was written by the same guy who implied Iceman was gay, so if we count that, we count the Draco.

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Postby Spidey-Man » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:05 am

Punchy wrote:That was the original Claremont plan, Mystique became a man and fucked Destiny, the baby was Nightcrawler.

But then Austen made that Demon dude Nightcrawler's dad, and Mystique the mum.


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Who were Nightcrawler's parents supposed to be?


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I read a story years ago that Mystique was Nightcrawler's mother. Please give me the scoop on Kurt's true origin.

JB: As originally created, Kurt was the son of gypsies who worked for a circus in Germany. That's it. That's all.

At one point Chris wanted to "reveal" that Kurt's father was Nightmare. Roger Stern, as editor, put the kibosh on that one.

Then Chris decided Kurt's mother was Destiny -- and his father was Mystique. That also went the way of ALL FLASH.

Now? Who the **** knows? (1/20/2005)

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Postby McKegan » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:07 am

Punchy wrote:That was the original Claremont plan, Mystique became a man and fucked Destiny, the baby was Nightcrawler.

But then Austen made that Demon dude Nightcrawler's dad, and Mystique the mum.


Wow. Both those ideas are terrible. No wonder he went guilt-ridden Catholic.

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Postby Spidey-Man » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:08 am

austen was a weird due.

Hank Pym slapped the wasp once when he was in a mental breakdwon 30 yrs ago. They broke up, pym recovered they went through tough times and recovered

Then austen comes around and because his dad visciously abused his mother, he has characters yelling at Hank like Hank visciously abused the Wasp and it happened yesterday :lol:

Working out his daddy issues in the comics.

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Postby Rockman » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:08 am

Nightcrawler should be in outerspace with the starjammers being a space pirate. He's wasted on earth.

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Postby Spidey-Man » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:09 am

Nightcrawler was so happy go lucky swashbuckler

then they made him into a very serious catholic

then he became a priest.

until they retconned that to be a fake

the personality of serious CatholicKurt was very different than the fuzzy elf.

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Postby Rockman » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:10 am

Man of steel wrote:austen was a weird due.

Hank Pym slapped the wasp once when he was in a mental breakdwon 30 yrs ago. They broke up, pym recovered they went through tough times and recovered

Then austen comes around and because his dad visciously abused his mother, he has characters yelling at Hank like Hank visciously abused the Wasp and it happened yesterday :lol:

Working out his daddy issues in the comics.


to be fair a lot of writers would not drop the spousal abuse thing with Pym. They should have just killed him off a long time ago or retconned it out of continuity when they re-aged tony.

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Postby outsider » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:10 am

Man of steel wrote:austen was a weird due.

Hank Pym slapped the wasp once when he was in a mental breakdwon 30 yrs ago. They broke up, pym recovered they went through tough times and recovered

Then austen comes around and because his dad visciously abused his mother, he has characters yelling at Hank like Hank visciously abused the Wasp and it happened yesterday :lol:

Working out his daddy issues in the comics.
That's still not nearly as bad as Geoff Johns having Hank go vaginal spelunking and then say, "Your turn, Jan". (WTF can little Jan do? Does he want Jan crawling inside his peepee hole or his bunghole?)

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