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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby Herald » Mon May 21, 2012 10:15 pm

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This is why it truly stumps me at how DiDio is still there. I realize that story quality is subjective and the guy isn't getting job reviews based on internet outrage, but for the love of God, it truly amazes me that his superiors evaluated DC Comics under his watch and don't just walk away saying "WHAT THE FUCK?"

It amazes me. It truly amazes me that of all the things that DC Comics could do or has done, that Dan DiDio is still there for all of it. It truly amazes me.


He's an exile from Hollywood. Therefore, he knows all the La-La-Land double talk and can schmooze Hollyweird Warner Bros. executives. All the better to smooth the way to making movies starring Superman and Batman, and, if there is time and Warners feels like doing it, maybe a few other characters. Same goes for Geoff "He Came from Richard Donner's Buddy List!" Johns.

Ultimately, this is what the DCnU is really all about: A ton of lame movie pitches.
As if Warner Bros. Pictures needed help making DC characters utterly unrecognizable...
*points to Catwoman movie*

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby Cat-Scratch » Mon May 21, 2012 10:45 pm

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He's an exile from Hollywood. Therefore, he knows all the La-La-Land double talk and can schmooze Hollyweird Warner Bros. executives. All the better to smooth the way to making movies starring Superman and Batman, and, if there is time and Warners feels like doing it, maybe a few other characters. Same goes for Geoff "He Came from Richard Donner's Buddy List!" Johns.

Ultimately, this is what the DCnU is really all about: A ton of lame movie pitches.
As if Warner Bros. Pictures needed help making DC characters utterly unrecognizable...
*points to Catwoman movie*


That or all his bosses are a bunch of inbred scum-sucking morons with delusions of intelligence and ability. Or their to stupid to know a turd when it lands under their nose. Maybe too drunk or stoned...
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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Mon May 21, 2012 10:53 pm

The thing about that is I can't even fathom how much money DC has left on the table under DiDio's stewardship. To me, that ALONE should've been a firing offense years ago. YEARS ago.

I'm gonna rant a bit, because it makes no sense, how he's kept his job for this long.

For instance: In 2005, you clearly have decided that there's not much more that you can do with Wally West as the Flash. You've had big guns like Mark Waid and Geoff Johns do definitive runs, you've married him off and given him a couple of kids. So you clearly, CLEARLY, make the editorial decision to move Wally West aside in Infinite Crisis, much like you did his predecessor in COIE 20 years before that.

Except...YOU DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING REPLACEMENT FLASH CREATED AND READY TO GO. Soooooo...you do one of the creepiest things I've ever seen in decades of reading: AGE A KID INTO AN ADULT WHILE LEAVING ALL OF HIS PEERS THE AGES THEY WERE, and tell really weird/bad stories with the character, resulting in the book Flash: Fastest Man Alive going through two creator changes in 13 issues before failing miserably AND YOU KILLING OFF THE KID YOU AGED WHICH WAS CREEPY AS FUCK IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Now think about that for a second. Seriously. Think about that for one second.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the Flash is going to move, oh, 85,000 units a month. Hell, I don't know what a good/great Flash book moves on a monthly basis.

But how in the hell does somebody's head not roll for you not having a Flash book on the market that is sustainable -- and if anybody thinks that Flash: Fastest Man Alive was sustainable, feel free to go back up and re-read what I just typed.

Again: They took a kid about 12-14 years old, aged him into his 20s, and left all of his peers the same age as they were -- and had him enter into a serious relationship, to boot.

CREEPY.

Whoever authorized that needed to be relieved of duty IMMEDIATELY. And when the book tanked and you had to bring Wally West back because, again, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A VIABLE FLASH READY TO REPLACE THE OLD ONE, somebody ELSE should've been let go.

I can go on. I've got about 50 of these, where I've just sat there and wondered, "Does anybody above Dan DiDio understand how much money they're leaving on the table by not selling books at a level that they could/should be selling?"
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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby mrorangesoda » Mon May 21, 2012 11:16 pm

Rockman wrote:Whoever said the Draco, I'd like to point out, that while it was terrible it's also be ignored 100% since it happened, even by its own writer.


Yeah, good thing nothing from that story has ever been seen or heard from again

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby achilles » Tue May 22, 2012 10:03 am

I dreamed this horrible storyline where some bald guy with a beard came from Hollywood to become a top exec at DC, and brought with him evil and mayhem, shortly thereafter destroying all that DC stood for with the help of his evil henchmen, another guy who came from Hollywood to become the most popular fan of the Silver Age and destroyer of all that is good at DC, and some guy from Image. That'd be the single storyline I'd get rid of.

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby draco x » Tue May 22, 2012 11:21 am

achilles wrote:I dreamed this horrible storyline where some bald guy with a beard came from Hollywood to become a top exec at DC, and brought with him evil and mayhem, shortly thereafter destroying all that DC stood for with the help of his evil henchmen, another guy who came from Hollywood to become the most popular fan of the Silver Age and destroyer of all that is good at DC, and some guy from Image. That'd be the single storyline I'd get rid of.


Agreed. Although I like Lee and Johns for the most part, their part in creating the New 52 hot mess left a bad taste in my mouth. I liked Lee better when he was focusing on Wildstorm and I definately liked Johns better on the Green Lantern books. As for Didio, most people here know what I feel so I won't bother explaining this again.

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby draco x » Tue May 22, 2012 11:29 am

ElijahSnowFan wrote:The thing about that is I can't even fathom how much money DC has left on the table under DiDio's stewardship. To me, that ALONE should've been a firing offense years ago. YEARS ago.

I'm gonna rant a bit, because it makes no sense, how he's kept his job for this long.

For instance: In 2005, you clearly have decided that there's not much more that you can do with Wally West as the Flash. You've had big guns like Mark Waid and Geoff Johns do definitive runs, you've married him off and given him a couple of kids. So you clearly, CLEARLY, make the editorial decision to move Wally West aside in Infinite Crisis, much like you did his predecessor in COIE 20 years before that.

Except...YOU DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING REPLACEMENT FLASH CREATED AND READY TO GO. Soooooo...you do one of the creepiest things I've ever seen in decades of reading: AGE A KID INTO AN ADULT WHILE LEAVING ALL OF HIS PEERS THE AGES THEY WERE, and tell really weird/bad stories with the character, resulting in the book Flash: Fastest Man Alive going through two creator changes in 13 issues before failing miserably AND YOU KILLING OFF THE KID YOU AGED WHICH WAS CREEPY AS FUCK IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Now think about that for a second. Seriously. Think about that for one second.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the Flash is going to move, oh, 85,000 units a month. Hell, I don't know what a good/great Flash book moves on a monthly basis.

But how in the hell does somebody's head not roll for you not having a Flash book on the market that is sustainable -- and if anybody thinks that Flash: Fastest Man Alive was sustainable, feel free to go back up and re-read what I just typed.

Again: They took a kid about 12-14 years old, aged him into his 20s, and left all of his peers the same age as they were -- and had him enter into a serious relationship, to boot.

CREEPY.

Whoever authorized that needed to be relieved of duty IMMEDIATELY. And when the book tanked and you had to bring Wally West back because, again, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A VIABLE FLASH READY TO REPLACE THE OLD ONE, somebody ELSE should've been let go.

I can go on. I've got about 50 of these, where I've just sat there and wondered, "Does anybody above Dan DiDio understand how much money they're leaving on the table by not selling books at a level that they could/should be selling?"


Here Are The List Of Offences Committed Under Didio's Tenure:

-The rape and killing of Sue Dibney
-The JLA mindwiping Batman
-The killing of Lian Harper
-Replacing Jean Paul Valley with a boring character and then bringing him back as a Black Lantern zombie
-Getting rid of Cassandra Cain as Batgirl and replacing her with another boring character
-Turning Geo Force into a douchebag
-The Superboy Prime retcon punches
-Bringing back Barry Allen for no real purpose
-Retconning Superboy's origin and making him a half-clone of Lex Luthor
-Making Barbara Gordon Batgirl again
-Killing off Tim Drake's dad
-Ruining the Outsiders, OMAC and Challengers Of The Unknown books by attempting to write them
-Turning Geo-Force's wife into an evil mutant serial killer

There are some more I can't think of but I will add them later

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby draco x » Tue May 22, 2012 11:30 am

Herald wrote:
He's an exile from Hollywood. Therefore, he knows all the La-La-Land double talk and can schmooze Hollyweird Warner Bros. executives. All the better to smooth the way to making movies starring Superman and Batman, and, if there is time and Warners feels like doing it, maybe a few other characters. Same goes for Geoff "He Came from Richard Donner's Buddy List!" Johns.

Ultimately, this is what the DCnU is really all about: A ton of lame movie pitches.
As if Warner Bros. Pictures needed help making DC characters utterly unrecognizable...
*points to Catwoman movie*


Isn't this the same Didio that ruined the Reboot and Beast Wars cartoons if memory serves me?

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby Rockman » Tue May 22, 2012 11:35 am

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This is new to me. Not that I blame him, of course...


I don't think Austen even did much with Nightcrawler after that period.

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby Rockman » Tue May 22, 2012 11:36 am

mrorangesoda wrote:
Yeah, good thing nothing from that story has ever been seen or heard from again

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Obviously Azazel was just some random mutant with teleporting powers in that movie. Not some immortal mutant who was mistaken for the devil.

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby Herald » Tue May 22, 2012 1:54 pm

draco x wrote:
Isn't this the same Didio that ruined the Reboot and Beast Wars cartoons if memory serves me?


Yup.

As someone (Zechs??) mentioned, Dan ruins EVERYthing he touches.

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby Schlemmer » Tue May 22, 2012 4:57 pm

This thread depressed me because it reminds me of all the crappy story-lines that need removed from existence...

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Re: If you could erase one story arc...

Postby draco x » Tue May 22, 2012 6:36 pm

Herald wrote:
Yup.

As someone (Zechs??) mentioned, Dan ruins EVERYthing he touches.


At the rate Didio is going, he is going to be more reviled than Jim Shooter was during the 90's.

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