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Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

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Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:08 pm

(Note: I haven't checked out Justice League 3000 past the previews posted in the forums, which I haven't been impressed with. Just wanted to be forward about that.)

Recent analysis on The Beat of Justice League 3000 suggests it's not going to be around for long. The is the book DC decided to replace Legion of Super-Heroes with.

57 - JUSTICE LEAGUE 3000 ($2.99)
12/2013: Justice League 3K #1 -- 57,726
01/2014: Justice League 3K #2 -- 41,423 (-28.2%)
02/2014: Justice League 3K #3 -- 33,308 (-19.6%)
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Since #1: - 42.3%

Continuing to drop. Things are not looking good for this to last beyond eight to twelve issues.


http://comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-february-2014-forever-evil-slows-the-pack/

Just for comparison with the Nu-52 Legion reboot:
77 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
12/2006: SLoSH #25 -- 33,288
12/2007: LoSH #37 -- 45,803
12/2008: LoSH #49 -- 22,180
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12/2010: LoSH #8 -- 25,063 (- 5.2%)
01/2011: LoSH #9 -- 24,230 (- 3.3%)
02/2011: LoSH #10 -- 23,738 (- 2.0%)
03/2011: LoSH #11 -- 23,667 (- 0.3%)
04/2011: LoSH #12 -- 23,419 (- 1.1%)
05/2011: LoSH #13 -- 23,105 (- 1.3%)
06/2011: LoSH #14 -- 22,600 (- 2.2%)
07/2011: LoSH #15 -- 21,788 (- 3.6%)
08/2011: LoSH #16 -- 21,373 (- 1.9%)
09/2011: LoSH #1 -- 50,402 (+135.8%) [58,325]
10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)

12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
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6 months: + 23.2%
1 year : + 11.1%
5 years : - 16.4%


http://comicsbeat.com/dc-month-to-month-sales-december-2011/

So, cancelling Legion and replacing it with JL3K hasn't really done $#!t for sales.
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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby guitarsmashley » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:12 pm

what does chris hayes think?
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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby oogy » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:18 pm

Let.

It.

Go.

Even if they were putting out a Legion book, you'd still bitch about it. :roll:
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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:26 pm

oogy wrote:Let.

It.

Go.

Even if they were putting out a Legion book, you'd still bitch about it. :roll:


Not if it was actually a good Legion book. Those have existed y'know.
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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby guitargod694 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:16 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Not if it was actually a good Legion book. Those have existed y'know.



I've seen no evidence of it...

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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:22 pm

Time for a neo-classic Justice League 3000 reboot.
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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Lord Simian » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:22 pm

Juan Cena wrote:
Not if it was actually a good Legion book. Those have existed y'know.


The last time a good Legion book existed, the heroic US President Randall Orton was elected unanimously, on the strength of his promise to hunt down and bring to justice the top Mafioso Johnathan "Johnie Foosball" Manzeillinni.

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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Lord Ice » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:14 pm

If it's not called a flop, it should be. The book is like shaking hands with someone who doesn't have toilet paper.
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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Chessack » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:24 pm

Clearly, the sales pattern is not encouraging. However, 33k is still better than a lot of books. If it didn't have the "JL" name attached, 33k would be entirely respectable, if it could hold there. Of course, we don't know if it will be able to hold there, and we'll have to just see what happens. We can't know what the "die hard" audience is like... that core of fans that won't leave a title no matter what. I'm not sure it has a "die hard" audience, but I guess we will find out.

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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby fieldy snuts » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:18 pm

Lets just call it a terrible book and leave it at that.

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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:59 pm

Chessack wrote:Clearly, the sales pattern is not encouraging. However, 33k is still better than a lot of books. If it didn't have the "JL" name attached, 33k would be entirely respectable, if it could hold there. Of course, we don't know if it will be able to hold there, and we'll have to just see what happens. We can't know what the "die hard" audience is like... that core of fans that won't leave a title no matter what. I'm not sure it has a "die hard" audience, but I guess we will find out.


The trajectory of the Nu-52 Legion book and the JL3K book do have a similar trajectory after three issues. Unless DC plans to have some kind of x-over with the regular JL Books, I can't see sales stabilizing in the 30k's right now.
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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:06 pm

Lord Simian wrote:
The last time a good Legion book existed, the heroic US President Randall Orton was elected unanimously, on the strength of his promise to hunt down and bring to justice the top Mafioso Johnathan "Johnie Foosball" Manzeillinni.


All I'm gonna say that JFF is of Syrian descent, not Italian.

Of course his family's legal history might be another story altogether...
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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby guitarsmashley » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:25 pm

it is a floppie


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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Chessack » Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:17 pm

Juan Cena wrote:The trajectory of the Nu-52 Legion book and the JL3K book do have a similar trajectory after three issues. Unless DC plans to have some kind of x-over with the regular JL Books, I can't see sales stabilizing in the 30k's right now.


I suspect you are right. And to be honest, although I hate to wish ill will on anyone, including DC, on a certain level I hope you are right... On a certain level, I would love it if their hype-oriented gimmick projects would all fail one after another and then maybe, just fucking MAYBE, they would learn a damn lesson (not that I'd hold my breath even then). Because it's the only thing that might teach them one -- if their idiot ideas cost them money instead of making them money, and bomb, and panned by critics as well as fans.

And on another level, I think DC deserves to take it in the shorts on this series, just because of all the shit that went into it (not just canceling Legion as a series but x-ing it out of the mainline continuity to replace it with more JL... plus the Keven Maguire thing... to think they replaced Maguire's art with the Rorschach tests that are Porter's panels).

But although my Schadenfreude taste buds might tingle at the idea, I still think it's too early to tell for sure. DC could always pull some idiot gimmick out of the hat at the 11th hour that the even stupider fanboys will go for, like 3D covers or gold-embossed pages or something.

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Re: Can we call Justice League 3000 a flop yet?

Postby Bond Hengbu » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:35 am

I was intrigued by the concept, but i don't care for it anymore.
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