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A Different Take On Flashpoint

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Draco x

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Postby Draco x » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:31 am

I was thinking about Flashpoint awhile back and originally I had thought the whole event would have been about the Speed Force exactly. Instead we got a Zero Hour/ Infinite Crisis riff which I didn't care for myself. I personally thought Johns was going to do to Flash what he did with the Green Lantern books which was to expand on the Flash mythos and have it branch out a bit. The premise would have been if the Flash and the other Speedsters would have faced the Black Flash and the other Speedsters who were evil( Reverse Flash, Savitar, Rival, etc), which would lead to a Speed Force war. In an objective view, could have that worked or not? Like I said, I didn't like Flashpoint much, but would this alternate take here have worked or not? You decide.
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MrBlack

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Postby MrBlack » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:52 am

I think that could have been an interesting story, but it runs entirely counter to what Johns ended up doing with the Flash mythos upon Barry's return. Which was, of course, to completely dump it in favor of making everything about Saint Barry.
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Scintillant-H

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Postby Scintillant-H » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:41 am

Having not liked Flashpoint, anything that makes it different, I'm all for.

And that does sound kind of interesting. :D
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Amoebas

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Postby Amoebas » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:20 am

I think most don't like Flashpoint because of what came after it (despite for the first EVER, the phrase, "this will forever change the (fill-in name) universe" actually was true).

As for the mini itself - a well written and good story that was drawn pretty darn good. I liked it a lot (but then I'm a Barry fan (not that I'm not a Wally fan, it's just that the last year plus Wally Flash stories were more about his kids when I wanted to read about the Flash.

The mini mini's around Flashpoint were also good (especially the Aquaman/Wonder Woman war).

As for Draco's all out Speedfest Battle Royale - anything to get rid of the Speed Force works for me. Never liked the concept.
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:37 am

Amoebas wrote:As for Draco's all out Speedfest Battle Royale - anything to get rid of the Speed Force works for me. Never liked the concept.


The Speed Force is still around in the New 52, they just stripped away any explanation that was given to it's existence prior to Flashpoint, so it's back to being some poorly defined plot device that allows Barry to do whatever they need him to do whenever they need him to do it.
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Scintillant-H

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Postby Scintillant-H » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:46 am

Amoebas wrote:I think most don't like Flashpoint because of what came after it (despite for the first EVER, the phrase, "this will forever change the (fill-in name) universe" actually was true).

As for the mini itself - a well written and good story that was drawn pretty darn good. I liked it a lot (but then I'm a Barry fan (not that I'm not a Wally fan, it's just that the last year plus Wally Flash stories were more about his kids when I wanted to read about the Flash.

The mini mini's around Flashpoint were also good (especially the Aquaman/Wonder Woman war).

As for Draco's all out Speedfest Battle Royale - anything to get rid of the Speed Force works for me. Never liked the concept.


Although I get the story, I choose not to connect flashpoint with Nu52. They're not the same, so why lump them in with each other?
I liked the art, but it wasn't anything to admire, even from the dislike standpoint.

Though it sounds like you liked it, and that's the one good thing about bad products. :)
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The Old Doctor

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Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:48 pm

I avoided Flashpoint because of it being as you said, a cliche and a bad one at that. I hate it as it result in the present state of DC Comics. Little if any good came out of it.

Johns also, would have been basically copying Waid if he did what you suggested. It was Waid that brought in the Speed Force and the rest of the speedsters into the Flash family. Revisiting it and expanding would have been nice, but again, seem cliche.
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Postby ElijahSnowFan » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:37 pm

Thought Flashpoint was ridiculous -- not necessarily because it changed everything. But because it had Barry Allen fucking up time travel as the reason.

I wanted to break something, when Professor Zoom was mocking Barry for not knowing how to use his powers well enough -- basically, for being incompetent -- and fucking up the entire timeline.

Yeah, there have been multiple resets in DC continuity, and TBH, most of them have been a result of "heroes gone bad."

But none of them were due to basic incompetence, and that's why I dislike Flashpoint to this day, and always will.
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Postby sdsichero » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:05 pm

Amoebas wrote:As for the mini itself - a well written and good story that was drawn pretty darn good. I liked it a lot (but then I'm a Barry fan (not that I'm not a Wally fan, it's just that the last year plus Wally Flash stories were more about his kids when I wanted to read about the Flash.

The mini mini's around Flashpoint were also good (especially the Aquaman/Wonder Woman war).


I think Amoebas read a Flashpointed version of Flashpoint :shock:
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Draco x

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Postby Draco x » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:06 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:Thought Flashpoint was ridiculous -- not necessarily because it changed everything. But because it had Barry Allen fucking up time travel as the reason.

I wanted to break something, when Professor Zoom was mocking Barry for not knowing how to use his powers well enough -- basically, for being incompetent -- and fucking up the entire timeline.

Yeah, there have been multiple resets in DC continuity, and TBH, most of them have been a result of "heroes gone bad."

But none of them were due to basic incompetence, and that's why I dislike Flashpoint to this day, and always will.


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Draco x

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Postby Draco x » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:08 pm

MrBlack wrote:I think that could have been an interesting story, but it runs entirely counter to what Johns ended up doing with the Flash mythos upon Barry's return. Which was, of course, to completely dump it in favor of making everything about Saint Barry.


Precisely on point here.
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Draco x

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Postby Draco x » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:09 pm

Scintillant-H wrote:Having not liked Flashpoint, anything that makes it different, I'm all for.

And that does sound kind of interesting. :D



Thanks.
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Grayson

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Postby Grayson » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:27 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:Thought Flashpoint was ridiculous -- not necessarily because it changed everything. But because it had Barry Allen fucking up time travel as the reason.

I wanted to break something, when Professor Zoom was mocking Barry for not knowing how to use his powers well enough -- basically, for being incompetent -- and fucking up the entire timeline.

Yeah, there have been multiple resets in DC continuity, and TBH, most of them have been a result of "heroes gone bad."

But none of them were due to basic incompetence, and that's why I dislike Flashpoint to this day, and always will.


I think the thing that frustrates me the most about Flashpoint isn't the ridiculous idea that Barry Allen would abuse time travel in such a manner as to cause Flashpoint to begin with or even the fact that it created the New 52. What frustrates me the most is the blanket explanation that was given for the changes that were made to the DCU as a result of Flashpoint. Call me crazy but for the life of me I just can't wrap my head around the magnitude of the changes that were made to the past and the present of the entirety of the DC Multiverse as a result of Flashpoint even when you account for the tampering of Pandora.
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Draco x

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Postby Draco x » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:50 pm

Grayson wrote:
I think the thing that frustrates me the most about Flashpoint isn't the ridiculous idea that Barry Allen would abuse time travel in such a manner as to cause Flashpoint to begin with or even the fact that it created the New 52. What frustrates me the most is the blanket explanation that was given for the changes that were made to the DCU as a result of Flashpoint. Call me crazy but for the life of me I just can't wrap my head around the magnitude of the changes that were made to the past and the present of the entirety of the DC Multiverse as a result of Flashpoint even when you account for the tampering of Pandora.


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Postby HNutz » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:50 pm

Draco x wrote:
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Draco x wrote:
Precisely on point here.


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