Your Top Marvel Villains part 51
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by LOLtron » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:14 amThis is it, the big shocker for me. And I am pretty sure it will be a helluva shock for you. Unless you are Twigglet, who kinda predicted this. I remember back in the nomination thread he said, "Just watch, so and so character will surprise everyone". And you know what? He was right. Be prepared to be mocked by Pink Tigger folks, for that "so and so" character got more points then these two. I await the backlash.
5. Red Skull (404 points - 9 first place slots)
"Seriously, this guy killed Captain America, achieving one of the single greatest victories any villain can lay claim. Plus, he's a Nazi."
"The Nazi menace that has been Captain America's enemy for almost a century now, and the ONLY Marvel villain who is OLDER than Marvel Comics!"
"Why? He arranged to have Captain America assassinated. By his girlfriend. Who was pregnant with his super-soldier baby at the time. Then he attempted to install a puppet President of the United States. That's just what the Skull has been up to."
"The single most unrepentant evil human in the Marvel U. So evil, villains refuse to work with him. Magneto tried to kill him. He's the twisted mirror image of all that is good about Captain America and, as Red Zone showed, America. Plus, you just can't kill the SOB. He'll just come back."
"He will kill you."
"Herr Skull Killed Captain America. He actually won. How many bad guys can say that?"
"Yeah, I like Zemo better, but even I'll admit that the Red Skull is Cap's greatest enemy, and one of Marvel's best; whenever the Skull shows up, you know you're in for something special, whether it's aging Cap 80 years, getting him fired by the Commission, taking over the world with a Cosmic Cube, or actually killing Captain America, the Skull's one of those bad guys who actually gets stuff done and brings out the best in his adversaries."
"Due to the fact these two (Red Skull and Aleksander Lukin) shared a body. It's only fitting they share the spot. Together the pair did the impossible. They hatched a scheme that resulted in the death of Captain America. That's the thing people forget Lukin had as much to do with Capt's death as the Skull did. They both where the true killers of Cap."
"Nazi. Not a former Nazi, he's a Nazi. He supports National Socialism. He's not the most powered-up player in the game, but I honestly believe him to be the most evil character in the MU. He doesn't have a shred of compassion or sympathy to him; he's a villain. Period."
"He actually killed his arch rival!!"
A Top 5 spot, though, I actually predicted him to be in the forth slot after his recent actions. You know, the one where he killed his long time rival Captain America. You might’ve read about it somewhere. Some say he should be in the 3rd slot, and some say 2nd. And you know what? I agree with them. I am kinda appalled by this, but not as much as I am appalled by who comes next. But, we will get to that later.
Johann Shmidt was orphaned when his mother died during his birth and his father committed suicide from grief. After Shmidt's birth, his father accused the infant of murder and attempted to drown him, but the doctor who placed him in an orphanage saved him. Shmidt ran away from the orphanage as a young child becoming a beggar and thief. As he grew older he worked menial jobs and landed in and out of prison for petty crimes. He would commit his first murder against the daughter of a Jewish shopkeeper who employed him. Refusing his love, Shmidt killed the young woman in a fit of rage and fled. He felt ecstatic joy in committing the murder and giving vent to his pent rage at the world.
When the Nazis took power, Shmidt was working as a bellboy at the hotel where Adolph Hitler was a guest. Hitler was berating a Gestapo officer when the bellboy delivered the Fuhrer's refreshments. Hitler claimed that he could teach the bellboy to do a better job than the officer. Shmidt saw in Hitler the mentor he had always desired, and Hitler recognized in the young man a hatred for humanity that he recognized in himself. Hitler declared he would make the bellboy into a "perfect Nazi" who would serve at his right-hand as the Red Skull.
The Red Skull was assassinated by the mysterious Winter Soldier, under orders from the renegade former Soviet general Aleksander Lukin, who wanted to possess the new Cosmic Cube the Skull had manufactured. When the Skull was shot, he attempted to use the Cube to switch bodies with Lukin to survive, but as the Cube was still weak he only managed to transfer his mind into Lukin's body. The two enemies were trapped together, waging a constant war for dominance, which the Red Skull seems to be progressively winning. During a plot to lure out Captain America, Red Skull/Lukin recruited several German skinheads and made them the successors to the Master Man. He had these soldiers, dubbed the "Master Race," launch an attack on London, which was thwarted by Captain America, Spitfire, and Union Jack. Then, Red Skull/Lukin activated a Sleeper, a robot programmed for mass destruction that was presumably created by Doctor Doom. The robot damaged a significant portion of the new London Kronas HQ, and was ultimately destroyed by Captain America and Bucky. In the aftermath, Red Skull sent a videotape, announcing to the world his return, followed by Lukin holding a press conference condemning the actions of both the Red Skull and Captain America, and supporting the Superhero Registration Act. In his office, Red Skull introduced Lukin to his old/new associates, Crossbones and Sin.
With America's superheroes divided over the act, the Skull manipulates events to his own ends, with the aid of Doctor Faustus, Doctor Doom, and Arnim Zola. His plans involved the reunion of Captain America and his former lover Sharon Carter, who was being manipulated by Faustus. In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the Skull puts his plans into action, arranging for Crossbones to shoot Captain America as he enters a courthouse in New York City; in the ensuing chaos, Carter, acting under Faustus' mental directive, assassinated Captain America.
4. Magneto (586 points - 18 First place slots)
"Very few Marvel villains are as terrifying as him."
"His strongest showing was in Jenkins' Mythos X-Men (those who have read it know why). A fantastic concept that had the potential to be Marvel's flagship villain based on his (Magneto's) MO of oppression and righteous anger. The analogues have been discussed far and wide and elsewhere. I put him where he is on this list by the unfortunate fact of his derailment in the past few years, by an editorial office eager to wipe away the (admittedly eclectic at best) flavor of Morrison's work. At his core, though, Magneto is as Morrison correctly guessed him: a terrorist, and a man who, despite however oppressed and/or noble he wants to be seen as, nonetheless has horrible designs for the world, designs that if brought to fruition would ruin even himself. His most compelling and most wonderfully "Marvel" trait is that he is no better than the people who imprisoned him in Poland, who killed his peers and parents--and that he doesn't even want to admit it."
"He's low because I don't count him as a villain... Perhaps an anti-villain. Nevertheless, his extended arc is one of the best in comics. He's slowly become exactly what he hates: A genocidal, oppressive mad man."
"He survived the holocaust, so he should be on the hero list JUST for that. But then, he impaled Charles in the Savage Land, then later pretended to be someone who gave his walking back just to take it away again (mwuhahaa) surrounded the Earth with meteors, hollowed out a meteor for his race to live, then when that didn’t work took over a remote island and got left alone by the UN. Ripped a man's metal bones out of his body, split another person in half in an alternate reality, and fathered numerous bastard children lol..."
"I'd Rank him higher, but he's heroic a lot."
"One of the most interesting characters in all of comics."
"The ultimate villain... why? Because is he really evil? When I talk to all my non-comic/fan boy friends that have seen the X-Movies and cartoon, they say they'd rather be on the Brotherhood fighting against the haters and bigots than protecting them. I find that very interesting. As a comic fan I know Magneto is a villain because he is willing to cross the line and only cares for mutants not equality. Magneto has the traumatic past that makes a hero but the views of a villain. He is confident in his views and faith."
"Yeah, he's a real bad dude. But he always had some solid logic to his positions. Enter Grant Morrison. Under Mr. Morrison, Magneto became a Nazi junkie. The man who'd survived a concentration camp now sent humans to crematoriums. The man who feared human oppression, in the same vein as the Nazis had done, built his own concentration camps. Anyone else have problems with this? I haven't read any X-Men (except for the new X-Force) since that particular story arc. So while Magneto's a bad guy, here's a big FU to Grant Morrison."
"Like others have said he's a villain yet not a villain and to me that makes him so appealing. That and his friendship with his own arch nemesis makes for some really interesting storylines."
"His arguments with Xavier are never hollow, he really believes his way is the right way, and when in the hands of a good writer he’s persuasive, and charismatic (never a good combo in the hands of someone with world conquering on the mind. if you were a mutant it wouldn’t be a cut and dry choice to make. maybe you’d find yourself in the Brotherhood."
Wow. I expected him in the Top 3. I really truly did. But yeah, he was beating by, well, you know who. Do I have to tell you? Bullseye. Bullseye beat Magneto and Red Skull. But I don't wanna talk about Bullseye here, lets talk about Magneto. There are a few people out there who say Magneto is not a villain. You know what I say to them? You are on crack. How can you say he is not a villain? How? Because he fights for the rights of mutants? Sure, that’s all fine and dandy, but his methods in doing so are pretty fucking evil if you ask me. Shame on you all for not putting him in 4th. Shame on all of you.
Long before he learned of his mutant powers, the man known as Erik Magnus Lehnsherr felt the bitter sting of discrimination. Interred as a youth at the Nazi death camp in Auschwitz, Poland, he was the only member of his family to survive the Holocaust. This experience bluntly and irrevocably demonstrated the potential inhumanity of an intolerant majority. After World War II, Magnus married Magda, a Gypsy girl he had rescued from Auschwitz. Their first child, Anya, was born several years later. When a mob prevented the couple from rescuing their young daughter from a fire, Magnus lashed out with his fledgling mutant abilities. In a white-hot moment of rage and pain, he killed his attackers and several onlookers. A terrified Magda fled, never having revealed that she was pregnant. She would give birth in secret to the twins Pietro and Wanda, who as adults would join Magnus' mutant terrorist group the Brotherhood of Mutants as Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch. The twins would later reform and join the Avengers.
After the disappearance of his wife, Magnus moved to Israel and worked as a volunteer orderly at a psychiatric hospital that treated Holocaust survivors. There, he befriended Charles Xavier, a young mutant telepath. Xavier held fast to his optimistic belief that Homo sapiens and Homo-Superior could coexist, while Magnus foresaw mutants as the new minority to be persecuted for their differences. Desperately trying to share his friend's hope, Magnus could not reconcile the injustices he had endured and began planning his campaign against what he perceived to be an inferior species, man. Swearing history would not repeat itself, he was determined to conquer the human race to prevent the oppression of mutant kind, and Magnus became known to the world as the genetic terrorist Magneto.
Magneto's mutant powers give him mastery over all magnetic forces. He can perceive the magnetic forces of the Earth and bioelectrical patterns of all living beings. He can draw on and use the magnetosphere of the planet, which extends far into space. He can use his power to reshape even the most indestructible metals in existence, including adamantium. He can control even the most insignificant magnetic particles in the atmosphere and living beings, reversing their blood flow or ripping out any ferrous elements through their tissues. (He can create fields of magnetism strong enough to manipulate non-ferrous items as well, though he may be using anti-gravity fields to do this.) He has demonstrated the ability to lift tens of thousands of tons with his magnetic powers, although the greater he exerts himself the greater the physical and mental stress. He can erect magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability around himself or others for protection and can fire bursts of magnetic (including EMPs) or electrical energy.
Because of its nature, electromagnetism being one of the four Foundation Forces of the universe (along with gravitation and strong and weak nuclear bonds), Magneto's power is "for all practical purposes limitless". Although Magneto’s primary power is control over magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy that is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light, heat and radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays. He can also manipulate gravitons to create an anti-gravity fields and has created traversable wormholes between two points on Earth. It has been theorized that perhaps Magneto may be living proof of Einstein's "Theory of Everything", otherwise known Unified Field Theory, that all forms of energy are inter-related. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism since it’s more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy.
However, Magneto must channel these fields through his nervous system and if he is injured his ability to channel large amounts of force and wield forces beyond magnetism is greatly hampered. His parallelization following the events of Eve of Destruction, for instance, left him almost completely powerless. By using his power on vast scales, such as lifting and building Asteroid M, he has frequently overloaded his nervous system, creating a chemical imbalance which some have theorized leads to his megalomaniacal episodes. On a couple occasions he has burned his abilities out completely through overuse, falling back on machines or other mutants to boost his powers until he can find a way to regenerate them.
Magneto also seems to possess some telepathic abilities, though the source of them has been much debated. Magneto has demonstrated the ability to ward off telepathic attacks from some of the worlds most powerful telepaths by force of will alone, it took Professor Xavier and Jean Grey together to wipe Magneto’s mind. Magneto has also exhibited powers of astral projection and has shown himself sensitive enough to pick up on the feelings of others, such as the New Mutants, passively. It is unclear whether this is from a latent telepathic ability or training (such as Dr. Strange has). In the past he has claimed to be able to control the minds of others, though it has been a long time since he has claimed this and he cannot seem to do so without technological aid.
Magneto is a genius as well as a skilled tactician. Moreover, he can use his magnetic powers in more than one-way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers or fight off multiple opponents successfully. He is highly skilled and imaginative in the areas of engineering, genetics, and computer science and posses technology it has been said, “that Reed Richards would envy” from a combination of his own work and that of alien technology he has encountered (the Stranger, Shi'ar, etc.) and assimilated into his own.
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