Monday, August 20, 2018 • Morning Edition • "30 charges and no convictions."

The Outhouse - The Greatest Comic Book Forum

Comics news, comic book reviews, feature articles about comics, interviews with comic creators, plus the greatest comic book and pop culture discussion in the Outhouse forums!

Advertisement

'Star Trek 4' May Go Kirk-less

Hey you! Reader! Want to be a part of the GREATEST COMIC BOOK AND GEEK COMMUNITY on the web?! Well, they're not accepting new members, but we'll take anyone here, so why not sign up for a free acount? It's fast and it's easy, like your mom! Sign up today! Membership spots are limited!*

*Membership spots not really limited!

User avatar

LOLtron

Rain Partier

Postby LOLtron » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:37 pm

So then… Captain Spock again?



Source: Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth 'Star Trek 4' Future In Doubt as Talks Fall Through (Exclusive)

In the twenty-third century of Star Trek, money is not so much a problem. Unfortunately for Paramount and the real-world Star Trek, money very much is an issue. According to The Hollywood Reporter, talks between the two Kirks -- James T. Kirk played by Chris Pine, and the undead  George Kirk played by Chris Hemsworth --and Paramount/Skydance have broken off:

The deal points came down to the usual suspect: money. Pine and Hemsworth, among Hollywood's A-list when starring in DC or Marvel movies, are said to be asking the studios to stick to existing deals. Paramount, according to insiders, contends that Trek is not like a Marvel or Star Wars movie and is trying to hold the line on a budget.

The actors, according to sources, insist they have deals in place and that the studios are reneging on them, forcing them to take pay cuts as they try to budget a movie that is following a mediocre performer.

 

The rest of the Enterprise crew were supposed to follow the two Kirks/Chris' negotiations. Though those negotiations have fallen apart, The Hollywood Reporter seems more optimistic about the crew:

Deals with other returning castmembers — including Zoe Saldana, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, Simon Pegg and John Cho — are expected to close.

 

It looks like yet another bump in the road for Star Trek on the movie side, just after it looked like things were starting to right itself. Well, if they need a Kirk, we think we know someone that might be willing

At least things seem to be humming along on the smaller screen for Trek… While they sort that out, you can always catch Pine in the next Wonder Woman  movie, and Hemsworth should still be in theaters with Avengers: Infinity War.



Written or Contributed by sdsichero


READ THIS ARTICLE ON THE FRONT PAGE, HUMANS!
User avatar

Belle-Tain Summer

Garbage Collector

Postby Belle-Tain Summer » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:55 am

If they cannot afford to have both actors, then maybe they should just tell a different story and only use one of them? Star Trek II and Star Trek VI both had to take massive budgetary bumps which prevented them telling the story they wanted to (both times it was that damn Starfleet Academy movie idea, thank god we dodged that bullet as long as we did) and both times they went away and found another story and rewrote what they had to suit the budget.

I mean sure, it means more work for the writer, producer, and director in having to cut their suit to their cloth, but they still did it and it produced what are still considered the two best movies in the Star Trek canon (insert snarky comment about Galaxy Quest and/or Wall-E here) so maybe NuTrek should just try the same. They've already got a saving on Chekov's actor and there is no real need to bring the other Hemsworth back. What else have they got, well no Enterprise because they blew it up in the last movie and most of the crew was fed on by space Vampires, so work with that. What space based story can be told with a minimal cast and a less expensive space ship set against smaller odds or against an opponent or situation to be out thought instead of needing something big and splashy to fight against? Tell that story instead. That is pretty much what Star Trek IV did too, they looked at what they had (Klingon Kia of Prey and no Enterprise, small command crew on the outs with Star Fleet) and again produced a fondly remembered and profitable movie.


Hire a cheaper director (bet they could afford Frakes, and he knows the genre) find a writer who loves the show and genre conventions, and will be willing to be flexible on upfront pay (which is pretty much Simon Pegg anyway) and roll with that. The movie is not necessarily in trouble, but the producers are just worried they are not going to get a Rolls Royce on a Ford budget that is all.
User avatar

RobThompson

cheese

Postby RobThompson » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:00 am

Belle-Tain Summer wrote:If they cannot afford to have both actors, then maybe they should just tell a different story and only use one of them? Star Trek II and Star Trek VI both had to take massive budgetary bumps which prevented them telling the story they wanted to (both times it was that damn Starfleet Academy movie idea, thank god we dodged that bullet as long as we did) and both times they went away and found another story and rewrote what they had to suit the budget.

I mean sure, it means more work for the writer, producer, and director in having to cut their suit to their cloth, but they still did it and it produced what are still considered the two best movies in the Star Trek canon (insert snarky comment about Galaxy Quest and/or Wall-E here) so maybe NuTrek should just try the same. They've already got a saving on Chekov's actor and there is no real need to bring the other Hemsworth back. What else have they got, well no Enterprise because they blew it up in the last movie and most of the crew was fed on by space Vampires, so work with that. What space based story can be told with a minimal cast and a less expensive space ship set against smaller odds or against an opponent or situation to be out thought instead of needing something big and splashy to fight against? Tell that story instead. That is pretty much what Star Trek IV did too, they looked at what they had (Klingon Kia of Prey and no Enterprise, small command crew on the outs with Star Fleet) and again produced a fondly remembered and profitable movie.


Hire a cheaper director (bet they could afford Frakes, and he knows the genre) find a writer who loves the show and genre conventions, and will be willing to be flexible on upfront pay (which is pretty much Simon Pegg anyway) and roll with that. The movie is not necessarily in trouble, but the producers are just worried they are not going to get a Rolls Royce on a Ford budget that is all.

Or just make Star Trek: Planet of the Titans.
User avatar

karmakaze

Mad Hatter

Postby karmakaze » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:19 pm

They should replace him with Bruce Campbell.
User avatar

Belle-Tain Summer

Garbage Collector

Postby Belle-Tain Summer » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:32 am

karmakaze wrote:They should replace him with Bruce Campbell.


Nah, recast with Scarlett Johansson and just say they were unable to switch back with Janice Lester in this timeline. :-D
User avatar

Glaeken

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby Glaeken » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:34 am

Maybe it's time for Next Generation reboot-style. Isn't it time for James McAvoy to do Picard?
User avatar

LiamA

cheese

Postby LiamA » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:29 pm

How about a black Kirk.
User avatar

StrongStyleFiction

cheese

Postby StrongStyleFiction » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:21 pm

Apparently, the new Picard series will take place in the Kelvin timeline. That and the Discovery series are going to merge the Kelvin and Prime timelines together and wipe-out the Prime continuity all together. That's the rumor going around.

Chris Pine wasn't a great Kirk at all. He was fine at best even though the character he played little resembled the Kirk from the classic series. Still, a Star Trek movie without him is beyond dumb.

Star Trek is dead and corporate idiocy killed it like it killed Star Wars. My God, I am turning into a bitter old man.
User avatar

RobThompson

cheese

Postby RobThompson » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:32 pm

LiamA wrote:How about a black Kirk.
A black trans Kirk. Get it right.
User avatar

RobThompson

cheese

Postby RobThompson » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:33 pm

StrongStyleFiction wrote:My God, I am turning into a bitter old man.

"Turning?"
User avatar

Belle-Tain Summer

Garbage Collector

Postby Belle-Tain Summer » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:32 pm

StrongStyleFiction wrote:Apparently, the new Picard series will take place in the Kelvin timeline. That and the Discovery series are going to merge the Kelvin and Prime timelines together and wipe-out the Prime continuity all together. That's the rumor going around.

.


That rumor sounds dubious. In fact it sounds like fanwank, and there is always a thick layer of fanwank over any new projects. Wait for official announcements before reacting.

Have CBS and Viacom/Paramount worked out their issues over remerging, btw? Last I read that had stalled leaving it impossible to bring the JJverse reboot to CBS anyway. I haven't seen anything since the announcement in May that talks had stalled, but I've not been following the story.
User avatar

IvCNuB4

Staff Writer

Postby IvCNuB4 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:14 pm

RobThompson wrote:"Turning?"


:lol: Beat me to it.
User avatar

StrongStyleFiction

cheese

Postby StrongStyleFiction » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:39 pm

Belle-Tain Summer wrote:
That rumor sounds dubious. In fact it sounds like fanwank, and there is always a thick layer of fanwank over any new projects. Wait for official announcements before reacting.

Have CBS and Viacom/Paramount worked out their issues over remerging, btw? Last I read that had stalled leaving it impossible to bring the JJverse reboot to CBS anyway. I haven't seen anything since the announcement in May that talks had stalled, but I've not been following the story.


It has to do with merch. CBS gets all revenue from Prime merch while Paramoun/CBS gets revenue from Kelvin merch. No one is buying Discovery or other Kelvin merch, they buy Prime stuff. So the thinking is, get rid of Prime and people will start buying stuff that Paramount can get a piece of.

It's not going to work.
User avatar

Garofani Spruzzo

Rain Partier

Postby Garofani Spruzzo » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:49 pm

Abort the mission!
User avatar

LiamA

cheese

Postby LiamA » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:43 pm

What were they going to do with Chekov since his actor is dead? Maybe they could that with Kirk. Maybe have Kirk and Chekov leave Starfleet and open a cozy little B&B together.

leave a comment with facebook


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: FaceBook [Linkcheck], Google [Bot] and 39 guests