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[draco x]

As we are still going through this saga, there are some serious questions I have during this event:

1. Why didn't Tony Stark seek help from the Illuminati at the beginning of the AVX? Given the fact that the group is dedicated towards stopping major threats to the world, why weren't they seen? Although I am aware that they will show up soon from solicitations, I wonder why Reed, Xavier and Black Bolt were never shown but only Tony and Dr. Strange.

2. As wrong as Cyclops was to blast Cap at Utopia, wouldn't it have been better if Cap had talked to Cyke beforehand about the Phoenix matter one on one instead of bringing the Avengers to his front door? It would have been better if Steve and Scott had met over a beer and talked about this matter beforehand and decide where things would head and it would have been more in character for both of them, seeing as how long they have known each other.

3. Why did Steve think it was a good idea to put the other X-teams under surveillance instead of asking for their help in dealing with the Phoenix? Did they just think that all the mutants would side with Scott and his dumb notion regarding the Phoenix? Wouldn't it have been better if they had asked Rogue, Iceman, Gambit and the other mutants to help them instead of treating them like war criminals? It's almost like Steve is turning into what Tony was during Civil War.

4. Why would Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, etc just joing Cyclops and co in the notion about the Phoenix just because of some dustups with the Avengers? I mean disagreeing with how the Avengers handled things is one thing but to just take sides with Cyclops as a result seems like the other X characters are just dumb and gullible. It would be more plausible if all these other X characters decided that both Scott and Steve were wrong and take matters into their own hands.

5. Why did Gladiator just send the Death Commandos to deal with the Phoenix matter and not bring in the Imperial Guard who have experience dealing with the Phoenix or the Annihilators who deal with cosmic threats on a regular basis? Were all these people on vacation and only the Death Commandos available? You would think that as integral as the Shi Ar was to the Phoenix saga that the whole empire would show up at this point but they seemed to have been sidelined in this whole event, which makes no sense.

These are just some obvious questions I have for this storyline but there are some more I will think of and add as I go along.

[e_galston]

The Death Commandos are the kill squad, they were sent to KILL hope. If Gladiator took the entire imperial guard it might be considered an act of war against earth..

Iceman, Rachel, Angel joined Cyclops before the Avengers came to the school.

As far as Gambit, Rogue and company seeing that the Avengers weren't too worried about putting the kids at the school in the line of fire that probably figured into their decision. Plus just cause they don't agree with Cyclops, doesn't mean they don't care what happens to the rest of mutantkind, or aren't still friends with many of Cyclops' side.

[draco x]

The Death Commandos are the kill squad, they were sent to KILL hope. If Gladiator took the entire imperial guard it might be considered an act of war against earth..


Iceman, Rachel, Angel joined Cyclops before the Avengers came to the school.



As far as Gambit, Rogue and company seeing that the Avengers weren't too worried about putting the kids at the school in the line of fire that probably figured into their decision. Plus just cause they don't agree with Cyclops, doesn't mean they don't care what happens to the rest of mutantkind, or aren't still friends with many of Cyclops' side.

-Lilandra had no problem bringing the Imperial Guard in to take out the Phoenix during the Phoenix saga so I don't think that Gladiator would have any problems doing so as well. Plus, Gladiator knows firsthand how powerful the Phoenix is after it nearly killed him more than once as Jean so he would know that sending in a kill-squad would not have a great chance of succeeding. It would be like sending sheep to kill a lion if you look at it.

-Again it begs the reason why they would think this was a good idea as I said before it makes them look like idiots to trust Cyclops on a very dangerous hunch.

-Which like I said that it would make better sense that they don't don't agree with either Scott or Steve. This makes it sound like they are more concerned with sticking it to the Avengers for their actions rather than making their own decisions. It's like saying that they are willing to join with a fanatic like Cyclops on a dangerous hunch just because Cap is acting like George Bush.

[Grayson]

1. Why didn't Tony Stark seek help from the Illuminati at the beginning of the AVX? Given the fact that the group is dedicated towards stopping major threats to the world, why weren't they seen? Although I am aware that they will show up soon from solicitations, I wonder why Reed, Xavier and Black Bolt were never shown but only Tony and Dr. Strange.

As far as I know, Black Bolt isn't anywhere near Earth at the moment. In fact, I would go so far as to say that given current events, the fate of Earth is one of the furthest things from his mind. He and the rest of the Inhumans are pursuing the Supreme Intelligence and his armada through space.

2. As wrong as Cyclops was to blast Cap at Utopia, wouldn't it have been better if Cap had talked to Cyke beforehand about the Phoenix matter one on one instead of bringing the Avengers to his front door? It would have been better if Steve and Scott had met over a beer and talked about this matter beforehand and decide where things would head and it would have been more in character for both of them, seeing as how long they have known each other.

Minus the part about Scott being wrong (he isn't) I have been saying this all along. I don't understand why Captain America didn't pick up the phone and call Scott to say "hey man, we have something to talk about, would you mind if I brought Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Hank Pym, and Hank McCoy to Utopia so that we can peacefully discuss the Phoenix situation and offer our help in any way that we can?" If Cap had simply done this, I believe that this entire situation could have been avoided.

3. Why did Steve think it was a good idea to put the other X-teams under surveillance instead of asking for their help in dealing with the Phoenix? Did they just think that all the mutants would side with Scott and his dumb notion regarding the Phoenix? Wouldn't it have been better if they had asked Rogue, Iceman, Gambit and the other mutants to help them instead of treating them like war criminals? It's almost like Steve is turning into what Tony was during Civil War.

I think that even Tony has pointed out the irony of Steve's actions during this. That being said, this is all part of the future that Cable has warned Scott about. The Avengers are trying to end this situation quickly and in doing so they are going for quick and easy solutions without thinking their actions through. They are starting to resort to tactics that are similar to the tactics that the X-Men's enemies have used in the past. I wouldn't be too surprised if we don't see a "re-purposed" Sentinel (aside from Juston Seyfert's) or two on the Avengers side by the end of this event.

4. Why would Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, etc just joing Cyclops and co in the notion about the Phoenix just because of some dustups with the Avengers? I mean disagreeing with how the Avengers handled things is one thing but to just take sides with Cyclops as a result seems like the other X characters are just dumb and gullible. It would be more plausible if all these other X characters decided that both Scott and Steve were wrong and take matters into their own hands.

Iceman put it best when he said that just because he went with Wolverine during Schism, didn't mean that he ever stopped believing in Scott. He simply saw that Wolverine needed his help more and he wanted to make a difference at the school. As Erik pointed out, Rogue and Gambit's decision probably hinges on the way that they Avengers choose to treat the children and possibly even their belief in Hope's ability to succeed in controlling the Phoenix. You have to remember, they have worked closely with Rachel in the past and they know that the Phoenix can be contained and controlled.

5. Why did Gladiator just send the Death Commandos to deal with the Phoenix matter and not bring in the Imperial Guard who have experience dealing with the Phoenix or the Annihilators who deal with cosmic threats on a regular basis? Were all these people on vacation and only the Death Commandos available? You would think that as integral as the Shi Ar was to the Phoenix saga that the whole empire would show up at this point but they seemed to have been sidelined in this whole event, which makes no sense.

I will refrain from answering this question because I am not really the biggest fan of the Shi'ar...although I am curious about the whereabouts of the Annihilators as well...

[alaska1125]

If only Cap had a copy of What If? #27 on hand...



...Phoenix = bad shit. No lie.

[e_galston]

-Lilandra had no problem bringing the Imperial Guard in to take out the Phoenix during the Phoenix saga so I don't think that Gladiator would have any problems doing so as well. Plus, Gladiator knows firsthand how powerful the Phoenix is after it nearly killed him more than once as Jean so he would know that sending in a kill-squad would not have a great chance of succeeding. It would be like sending sheep to kill a lion if you look at it.

-Again it begs the reason why they would think this was a good idea as I said before it makes them look like idiots to trust Cyclops on a very dangerous hunch.

-Which like I said that it would make better sense that they don't don't agree with either Scott or Steve. This makes it sound like they are more concerned with sticking it to the Avengers for their actions rather than making their own decisions. It's like saying that they are willing to join with a fanatic like Cyclops on a dangerous hunch just because Cap is acting like George Bush.

if i remember the dark phoenix saga correctly the Imperial Guard didn't actually come to earth they came to the blue area of the moon. So its a little different then him attacking earth. Plus the last time he took a big group of people to earth to stop something Avengers attacked him (Annihilators). The Death Commandos are highly trained killers, (like X-Force). Why bring an entire group (who don't really kill) and leave Shi'ar space unprotected, and potentially start a war with Earth, when you can send the Death Commandos in who have no problems killing

[draco x]

if i remember the dark phoenix saga correctly the Imperial Guard didn't actually come to earth they came to the blue area of the moon. So its a little different then him attacking earth. Plus the last time he took a big group of people to earth to stop something Avengers attacked him (Annihilators). The Death Commandos are highly trained killers, (like X-Force). Why bring an entire group (who don't really kill) and leave Shi'ar space unprotected, and potentially start a war with Earth, when you can send the Death Commandos in who have no problems killing

Fair enough but the point I am trying to make is that Gladiator along with the Imperial Guard have faced the Phoenix before and they know how powerful it is. Sending a group of super-powered assassins in won't work in their favor as there is a chance they won't succeed as evidence the recent issue of Wolverine & The X-Men.
Gladiator would be thinking about the possibility of these guys failing and sending in back-up by having the Imperial Guard and the Annihilators close by. Remember Gladiator is a warrior by nature and if risking war with Earth( A planet he has no strong ties to by the way) is something that needs to be done, Gladiator is going to do it best believe. Also the Avengers/ Annihilator dustup happened because Magus played both sides and not much else.
The other thing to point out is that the Imperial Guard did come to Earth with the intentions of destroying the Phoenix but they all ended up on the moon due to the challenge that Xavier invoked of them. If Xavier and the X-men had not invoked that challenge the Imperial Guard would have attempted to destroy the Phoenix on Earth if need be

[Punchy]

Wasn't there a cover with the Illuminati on it in the most recent solicitations?

[Punchy]

Yep, New Avengers #29

[Amoebas]

As we are still going through this saga, there are some serious questions I have during this event:

1. Why didn't Tony Stark seek help from the Illuminati at the beginning of the AVX? Given the fact that the group is dedicated towards stopping major threats to the world, why weren't they seen? Although I am aware that they will show up soon from solicitations, I wonder why Reed, Xavier and Black Bolt were never shown but only Tony and Dr. Strange.

Because the Illumanti is a joke (always was). The less seen or mentioned the better. What's actually funny however is the lack of Reed Richards. When you know an Omega level alien threat is coming to Earth, you don't call in Power Man or Spider-Woman. You call Reed Richards. This is something a 1st grader in the MU would know.

2. As wrong as Cyclops was to blast Cap at Utopia, wouldn't it have been better if Cap had talked to Cyke beforehand about the Phoenix matter one on one instead of bringing the Avengers to his front door? It would have been better if Steve and Scott had met over a beer and talked about this matter beforehand and decide where things would head and it would have been more in character for both of them, seeing as how long they have known each other.

There's a long history that shows Cap & Cyke have each other's phone number. The only reason they didn't call each other was because it would have lead to resolution instead of a summer long fight scene.

3. Why did Steve think it was a good idea to put the other X-teams under surveillance instead of asking for their help in dealing with the Phoenix? Did they just think that all the mutants would side with Scott and his dumb notion regarding the Phoenix? Wouldn't it have been better if they had asked Rogue, Iceman, Gambit and the other mutants to help them instead of treating them like war criminals? It's almost like Steve is turning into what Tony was during Civil War.

Again, logic is tossed out for more fighting.

4. Why would Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, etc just joing Cyclops and co in the notion about the Phoenix just because of some dustups with the Avengers? I mean disagreeing with how the Avengers handled things is one thing but to just take sides with Cyclops as a result seems like the other X characters are just dumb and gullible. It would be more plausible if all these other X characters decided that both Scott and Steve were wrong and take matters into their own hands.

Because they are idiots apparently consumed more by blind loyalty than by logic.

5. Why did Gladiator just send the Death Commandos to deal with the Phoenix matter and not bring in the Imperial Guard who have experience dealing with the Phoenix or the Annihilators who deal with cosmic threats on a regular basis? Were all these people on vacation and only the Death Commandos available? You would think that as integral as the Shi Ar was to the Phoenix saga that the whole empire would show up at this point but they seemed to have been sidelined in this whole event, which makes no sense.

This one is beyond even Marvel logic. The Imperial Guard would mean more fighting, so why they aren't being used is just weird.

[BubbaKanoosh]

Yep, New Avengers #29

Looks like Charles is not using his powers but covering his ears at Caps annoying battle cry.

[alaska1125]

Looks like Charles is not using his powers but covering his ears at Caps annoying battle cry.

Ha! Or riding out a bitch of a hangover.

[Chris]

2. As wrong as Cyclops was to blast Cap at Utopia, wouldn't it have been better if Cap had talked to Cyke beforehand about the Phoenix matter one on one instead of bringing the Avengers to his front door? It would have been better if Steve and Scott had met over a beer and talked about this matter beforehand and decide where things would head and it would have been more in character for both of them, seeing as how long they have known each other.

You really think Cyke would agree to that? He's got tunnel vision. He doesn't care about any other options. He wants what he wants. We've SEEN him flat out lie to Cap's face before during Schism, when Cap was looking for Quentin Quire. Also.. as far as Cyke knew, Cap WAS there by himself, face to face. It wasn't until Cyke took needless action against him, that Cap's backup showed itself.

[e_galston]

You really think Cyke would agree to that? He's got tunnel vision. He doesn't care about any other options. He wants what he wants. We've SEEN him flat out lie to Cap's face before during Schism, when Cap was looking for Quentin Quire. Also.. as far as Cyke knew, Cap WAS there by himself, face to face. It wasn't until Cyke took needless action against him, that Cap's backup showed itself.

but as others pointed out when i pointed that exact same thing out, Emma was standing on the beach too so they HAD to know that the avengers were up there.. Even though they never, implied anything to that regard in the book. And just because Emma's there doesn't mean they know, Stark was there too so you can't tell me he couldn't have made psi-shields for the avengers...

[Amoebas]

but as others pointed out when i pointed that exact same thing out, Emma was standing on the beach too so they HAD to know that the avengers were up there.. Even though they never, implied anything to that regard in the book. And just because Emma's there doesn't mean they know, Stark was there too so you can't tell me he couldn't have made psi-shields for the avengers...

You're arguing both sides - but the only one that's relevant is the one on the printed page - and as you admit, there's no indication that any of the X's knew that the Helicarrier was there.

(now if you want take it in another directions - you could argue they knew Cap had friends because the Captain wasn't soaking wet and there was no transport visible - but again, this is never referred to and therefore irrelevant.)